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30 day border runs - reduced to only 15 days

Postby Bandung_Dero » December 4, 2008, 7:40 am

I looked at the new immigration rule on exempt entry at it reads as follows:

"A person holding a passport or other paper instead of a passport that has a citizenship that the Minister of State decreed in agreement with the Board of Ministers to let come into the Kingdom for a temporary period in order to tour according to the law and ordinances methodology and conditions of examination as "exempt" and to change the type of examination giving a stamp (year of) 2545 (day of) 16 of August (year of) 2545 Article 13)3) gives permission to enter the Kingom many times with a permision to stay in the Kingdom each time not more than 30 days counting from the day of entry into the Kingdom except that for an entry into the Kingdom by way of entry from a neighboring country the permission granted to stay in the Kingdom each time will not exceed 15 day counting from the day of entry into the Kingdom."

So it seems that if you are eligible for a 30-day exempt entry, you will only get it if you enter from a "non-neighboring country". If entering from a neighboring country you will only get a 15 day exempt entry.

One other thing, the 90 day total allowed in six months has been dropped from the new ruling as it is currently posted. So it (hopefully) seems that particular rule is gone.


This is an unofficial translation of a new visa rule. 15 Days on arrival from a neibouring country? What's the word from NK. Definitely applying down South!
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Re: 15 Days on arrival from Laos? Visa Runners?

Postby Bandung_Dero » December 4, 2008, 8:03 am

Some other changes:-
Note that they have reintroduced the 400K Baht in the bank for 'o' Visa extensions. No more having to pay your TW 40K Baht a month AND income tax =D> At their discression of coarse.

Isaan Lawyers is not a large Law firm and we don't have the staff to translate 17 pages quickly....
We are not specialized in visas as we mostly work in Isaan with
people living here for a long time. We do more property, family and corporate law.
But this is a small summary that might help some people.
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http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/do ... 7_2551.pdf

This document is important and concern all foreigners with temporary stay visa. It replaces and cancelled the previous orders on Sept 8 2006, which are the rules of October 2006 and also the order signed on January 21, 2008.

It's the police order 777 year 2551.

It was signed on 25 Nov 2008 (2551).

The numbers are not the same as the previous order.
I had a small conversation with my assistant and we compare the 2 versions, the new and old one, quickly.
Here are some changes:

BUSINESS VISA: Under 7.1 (4) before, you had to:

"The business concerned must have duly submitted its audited balance sheet as at the end of the latest fiscal year."

Now, it's the 2 latest years. It seems to be in accordance with the new labour act which will allow work permits for 2 years. That's my personal opinion.

The clause 7.1 (5) seems to be deleted. Before, you had to show some profits and losses, audit, etc.

In case of visa for an investment, the Thai version was not mentionning 3 million baht. The English version was. Now, it's clearly an investment of not less than 3 million. That was 7.4 before.

For teachers, private and public school, it looks like it's the same. BUT BE CAREFUL. The previous police order was mentionning documents required...the new one DOES NOT MENTION DOCUMENTS REQUIRED...but only basis for consideration.

For family (like spouse, children) there are some modifications:

It looks like the 'support of a child visa' is still there, but there are financial requirements. 40,000 baht income per month for the mother or father, or 400,000 at the bank. But they added a paragraph mentionning that the immigration office has DISCRETION case by case to deliver this visa. No requirement about the age (before there was a requirement of 50 y-o, that was not always applied).

The HUSBAND married to a Thai lady (what about the wife married to a Thai???) now must show 40,000 baht income per month, or 400,000 baht at the bank 2 months in advance. Before, it was per couple. Now, it's for the foreign HUSBAND. But on the third page of this document, there is a mention on page 3 that the immigration will have discretion to apply this clause or not. Same as the previous one. I do believe it's to protect people living here for a long time, with children or a wife, who don't have the requirements. Personal opinion too.

For retirement visa, it's now SPECIFIED that you need 800,000 baht in a local bank account for the FIRST YEAR. Some people were able to get a one year retirement visa abroad without showing money and the second year, for their extension, had to put 800,000 baht 3 months in advance. The rest seems to be as before.

The annex at the end, (this annex is the salarial requirement for foreigners having an extension based on business) The amounts the same with some specifications. For the first category, the put an exception on Europe about RUSSIA (not included). Russia was in the third category and Europe was in one. No more confusion!
Second is the same.
The fourth, the specified that South Africa is excluded and is in the third category. (Same as Russia). But it was also before in the third...

We did NOT check all clauses and this is NOT a translation. Just some help to start with.
I do hope a big law firm or the immigration bureau will provide a FULL English translation soon.

Sebastian from Isaan Lawyers

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30-days border runs now only 15 days

Postby Bread Man » December 4, 2008, 12:12 pm

Thursday, 04 December 2008
30-days border runs now only 15 days
In order to limit the amount of foreigners using "back-to-back" border runs, Thai Immigration has issued a new regulation regarding the 30 days tourist exemption.



Effective immediately, travellers without visa will get only 15 days of stay if they are arriving via a land border checkpoint from a neighboring country.
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Re: 30-days border runs now only 15 days

Postby Bread Man » December 4, 2008, 12:22 pm

Passengers arriving via an international airport will obtain a 30 days stay, and for them there is no change.



Travellers with Malaysian passports will obtain a 30 days stay.



This police order number 778/2551 is today confirmed by Royal Thai Police, Immigration Bureau, in Bangkok.
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Re: 30-days border runs now only 15 days

Postby rufus » December 4, 2008, 12:30 pm

Thailand the foreigner friendly nation!
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Re: 15 Days on arrival from Laos? Visa Runners?

Postby Goldcoaster au » December 4, 2008, 12:32 pm

does 400k = 400,000 baht
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Re: 30-days border runs now only 15 days

Postby arjay » December 4, 2008, 12:33 pm

I'll move this to the Visa Issues Forum. ;)
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Re: 30-days border runs now only 15 days

Postby oldfield » December 4, 2008, 12:43 pm

This is probably a good thing - however, it will hurt all those teachers who are working here illegally and doing border hops every month.
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Re: 30-days border runs now only 15 days

Postby rufus » December 4, 2008, 12:49 pm

Uh Odfield, why is it a "good thing"? What about those tourists coming from overland who want to stay more than 15 days?
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Re: 30-days border runs now only 15 days

Postby oldfield » December 4, 2008, 1:13 pm

The only 'tourists' coming in overland are backpackers anyway, and I believe that Thailand is not interested in their custom as much as from high spending tourists from overseas.
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Re: 30-days border runs now only 15 days

Postby Bandung_Dero » December 4, 2008, 1:32 pm

Been searching high and low and can't find any information on the 90 Day rule. That will have to be effected surely.

5 x 15 day visas then a trip to Vientiane for a 60 day :yikes: That should keep the visa runners busy and drive Immigration nuts trying to calculate the 90 day issue. They have run out of fingers and toes now 8-[
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Re: 30-days border runs now only 15 days

Postby Bandung_Dero » December 4, 2008, 1:39 pm

rufus wrote:Uh Odfield, why is it a "good thing"? What about those tourists coming from overland who want to stay more than 15 days?
And I have just read about a woman who wants to go to Vientiane for a few days after being in Thailand for only 4 days. Her intention was to spend the remainder of the 30 days down BKK way prior to returning home. Not a backpacker just a tourist having her plans wrecked. I don't remember seeing any fore warning about this change and I'm sure she didn't.
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Re: 30-days border runs now only 15 days

Postby rickfarang » December 4, 2008, 2:58 pm

Well, that pretty much screws over any tourists who couldn't fly into Bangkok so came in by land via KL or Singapore.

I wish they would warn people before making changes... ](*,)
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Re: 30-days border runs now only 15 days

Postby BKKSTAN » December 4, 2008, 4:38 pm

Amazing Thailand!Totally dysfunctional gov't with many real issues that need dealing with,they wind up tweaking immigration rules!

It really would be interesting to know the real truth annd thinking behind these moves! #-o #-o
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Re: 30-days border runs now only 15 days

Postby oldfield » December 4, 2008, 5:01 pm

I know this may seem a bit of an obvious question...but...just to make things clear, does this new ruling include Laos People?
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