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90 day nightmare

Postby parrot » May 15, 2010, 3:16 pm

This isn't about a Thai 90 day nightmare, but an American one. I found it interesting because it points out the similarities in how immigration laws/interpretation/enforcement can be just as much a nightmare in the US as they are in Thailand.
The only positive side to this story is that in the years I've been here, I've yet to hear of an expat in Udon 'being led away in cuffs' for violating immigration laws.
Maybe Mr. Smiley isn't such a bad guy afterall!

New York Times wrote:Strict Reading of Visa Rule Trips Up More Couples
Yana Paskova for The New York Times

By NINA BERNSTEIN
Published: May 14, 2010

They met on the eHarmony dating site — the pretty, dark-haired psychologist from Los Angeles and the blond German theologian at Kings College, London, writing his Ph.D. dissertation on why Protestants had stopped believing in miracles.

Their wedding last June capped more than two years of trans-Atlantic trips for the couple, Diana Ali, 27, and Karsten van Sander, 33. They settled in Plainsboro, N.J., near the Princeton hospital where she has an internship. And with his application for a green card pending, they soon felt at home, joining a Christian fellowship group run by Princeton University’s chaplain.

But all that harmony was abruptly fractured last week, when three immigration agents showed up at their apartment and took Mr. van Sander away in handcuffs. Held in an immigration detention center in Elizabeth, N.J., Mr. van Sander, a dual British and German citizen, faced deportation without a hearing and a 10-year ban on returning to the United States.

His offense: an error in his green card paperwork, which he filed after he entered the country under the visa-waiver program. That program, used by millions of travelers from 36 favored nations, including Germany and Britain, allows a 90-day stay, but includes a little-noticed provision requiring foreign visitors to give up any right to contest summary deportation, except in a claim for asylum.

In practice, however, a more lenient law has long governed the way immigration authorities treat foreigners who marry American citizens: Even if they overstayed, as long as they originally entered the country legally, they had been allowed to “adjust” their status to permanent resident.

Mr. van Sander, whose original paperwork would have stopped the 90-day clock if it had not been flawed, seemed to be on track for such an adjustment in March, when the couple refiled all the papers on the advice of an immigration officer.

But on April 22, a decision by the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit in a separate case changed the legal landscape for such couples in New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware and the Virgin Islands. Lawyers say the van Sanders are among thousands of couples who could be adversely affected by the decision, which leaves the foreign spouses no defense against deportation if immigration authorities, at their discretion, decide to expel them.

The decision echoes and sharpens recent rulings in 6 of the 12 regional circuits across the country (but not the one that covers New York), holding that after a 90-day stay, foreigners who enter the country under the visa-waiver program cannot fight summary deportation based on their marriages to American citizens.

“It’s surreal,” said Ms. van Sander, who went to immigration court with the Princeton chaplain and a lawyer on Tuesday to plead for her husband’s release. The judge told them that the appeals court’s decision left her no jurisdiction over Mr. van Sander, and that he was not entitled to a bail hearing.

But on Friday, Mr. van Sander’s 10th day in jail, the government responded to inquiries from The New York Times by announcing that he would be released. Brian P. Hale, a spokesman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, said the agency was using its discretion to let Mr. van Sander try to repair his case.

Under the appeals court’s decision, the larger issue remains. In the Third Circuit, Citizenship and Immigration Services will no longer approve green cards based on marriage if the application is made more than 90 days after the foreign spouse entered on a visa waiver, officials said.

Until now, even in states in other circuits that have issued similar rulings, immigration authorities have generally used the more-lenient law and their discretion to approve such cases, rather than order deportation, immigration lawyers say. But the van Sander case shows that the outlook is dire for couples already in the pipeline for a green card, said Eric E. Olson, an immigration lawyer who has followed the issue closely.

“It’s crazy,” he said, adding that it might provoke a public outcry, because “it’s going to affect a lot of white people, too, not just brown people.”

Coming as the Obama administration says its immigration enforcement priority is deporting dangerous criminals, Mr. van Sander’s arrest bewildered many in the couple’s 40-member Christian fellowship group, said the chaplain, the Rev. B. Keith Brewer.

“They’re both lovely people, not exactly the criminal types,” said Mr. Brewer, who visited Mr. van Sander several times in the detention center, which is run by Corrections Corporation of American in a former warehouse. “Just out of nowhere, three people showed up, put him in handcuffs and took him away,” the chaplain added.

In light of 9/11, the chaplain said, he cannot blame the government for following the letter of the law. But, he added, it was absurd to lock up the young theologian, without his books, at a cost of $175 a day.

“Our tax dollars are paying to fly him back to London,” he said. “It’s ridiculous.”

Unlike the plaintiff in the Third Circuit case, Heathcliffe John Bradley, a New Zealander who arrived in 1996 and had overstayed his visa by 10 years by the time he married, Mr. van Sander always returned to Britain or his parents’ home in Solingen, Germany, before the 90 days were up, his wife said.

After their wedding, they visited his parents, returned to the United States in August and filed his immigration paperwork in September, which should have stopped the 90-day clock. All seemed to be in order, Ms. van Sander said, because her husband was sent a work authorization, and began teaching at a local Christian college.

Not until their immigration interview on March 9, she said, were they informed that they had omitted a crucial document known as the I-130, her petition as an American citizen on his behalf. Without it, his application to become a permanent resident was not valid, and the clock had been running; officially, he had overstayed by four months.

“We tried to do everything right,” Ms. van Sander said, recalling the four forms they filled out without a lawyer. “We made a mistake, but if two Ph.D. students can’t figure it out, it shows the paperwork is really confusing.”

The couple quickly refiled, paying the $355 in fees a second time, and canceled a trip to London, as the immigration officer directed.

“He told us as long as we filed immediately and as long as Karsten entered legally (which he did), that we were safe,” Ms. van Sander said in an e-mail message.

Instead, the case was apparently referred to agents at Immigration and Customs Enforcement. On May 4, Ms. van Sander received a text message at work from her husband saying he was in immigration custody.

Daniel L. Weiss, a lawyer the couple hired Thursday evening, said he was grateful that by Friday afternoon officials in both agencies were scrambling to reopen it and fix it. By 3:30 p.m., a shaken Mr. van Sander walked out of jail into his wife’s arms.

“But this is much bigger than just them,” Mr. Weiss said. “The larger question is government policy, and why do we treat these waiver people worse than we treat other people?”

From New Jersey’s Italian- and Irish-American families alone, he added, “there are going to be a hundred stories like this coming into my office.”
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Re: 90 day nightmare

Postby nkstan » May 15, 2010, 5:45 pm

It certainly seems at first read,that the gov't was being over zealous,but the fact is that they neglected to file ALL the necessary paperwork and bear responsibility!Hope they work it out!I imagine that there will be some intervention on their behalf and it will work out!
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Re: 90 day nightmare

Postby Texpat » May 15, 2010, 6:01 pm

I did this a few years ago.
The I-130 (the part they never completed) is 90% of the entire process.
The first half merely begins the police/background check for the applicant.
I was in living in Japan with my Thai wife and her background check was done by the Seoul INS office. (??)

I find it hard to believe these two PhDs merely overlooked the rest of the immigration process (I-130).

It's like going into NK Immigration office with a copy of your passport, a few wrong-sized mugshots and a pocket full of wishful thinking.
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Re: 90 day nightmare

Postby Bilko » May 15, 2010, 6:58 pm

Just started to read this post but had to stop before the numbness took over. 90 day nightmare would be a better way of describing the length of time it takes to reach the bloody end. Are you bored sh1tless or what. Try a walk around nong prajak with a nail in your shoe and leave this stuff for another forum.
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Re: 90 day nightmare

Postby thrilled » May 18, 2010, 10:41 pm

the us is getting worse and worse about immigration.Arizona has to pass A law on immigration so the feds will start enforceing the law they have on the books.
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Re: 90 day nightmare

Postby Texpat » May 18, 2010, 10:59 pm

getting worse and worse
Better and better. Illegal aliens are federal criminals.

There are 15-20 million of them in the US. Criminals. How do you think an American in Mexico or Thailand would be treated for ignoring immigration law?

They pay no federal tax. They are a burden.

Bobo's aunt was one living illegally in Boston for 10 years. Didn't seem to bother him much.

Arizona is merely doing what the feds refused to. Enforcing a law. Bravo. About time.
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Re: 90 day nightmare

Postby Farang1 » May 19, 2010, 2:37 am

When I took my exwife (a Kiwi) to the States and filed for her green card, we did it ourselves. But, to be on the safe side, we took the paperwork to an imigration attorney to have it looked over before we went to the INS. Cost was $100 for 30 minutes consultation. He pointed out some problems that we corrected and had no problems with filing after that.

Try being an illegal in Mexico.....

Mexico's imigration laws.

1 There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools.

2. All ballots will be in this nation's language.

3. All government business will be conducted in our language.

4. Non-residents will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here.

5. Non-citizens will NEVER be able to hold political office

6 Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or other government assistance programs. Any burden will be deported.

7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount at least equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.

8. If foreigners come here and buy land... options will be restricted. Certain parcels including waterfront property are reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.

9.. Foreigners may have no protests; no demonstrations, no waving of a foreign flag, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies. These will lead to deportation.

10. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be actively hunted &, when caught, sent to jail until your deportation can be arranged. All assets will be taken from you.

Basicly, they are saying that, foreigners cannot become a burden to the State.
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