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Re: Baht What up with Dat?????

Postby arjay » June 30, 2010, 2:55 pm

.....Cookie, .... and your point is? :-"

There may well be an expectation that Thai interest rates will rise. There is similarly an expectation that UK interest rates will rise. ;)

The exchange rates of all currencies fluctuate on a daily, hourly, minute by minute and even second by second basis. The £ currently is higher than it was at the end of May, when you questionned/challenged my views. :-"
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Re: Baht What up with Dat?????

Postby old-timer » June 30, 2010, 3:06 pm

arjay wrote:There is similarly an expectation that UK interest rates will rise.


Let's hope sooner rather than later as it will without a doubt get foreign investors back on board. The bahts not moving a great deal as far as OT can see.
BTW, arjays present WFB avatar is second to none.

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Re: Baht What up with Dat?????

Postby nkstan » June 30, 2010, 5:37 pm

I doubt if any country that is struggling economicly,unsure whether their crisis has passed,will raise their interest rates as that would be counter productive!But an increase in interest rates by a country will surely caused their currency to strengthen against the currency of those countries that don't raise their interest rates in tandem!

Thailands economy is relatively sounder than the Western countries,therefore they would be in a better position to raise rates if they chose,which would cause their currency to appreciate,but would also probably cause a slowing in exports to countries that would have to pay more for the products.

It is a constant balancing act.The daily fluctuations of the baht,should not effect us ,unless we had to move currency at that time.It is the overall trend that we should be hedging our position against,which,IMO,is a continuing of the baht to strengthen against Western currencies!
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Re: Baht What up with Dat?????

Postby cookie » June 30, 2010, 6:12 pm

nkstan wrote:It is the overall trend that we should be hedging our position against,which,IMO,is a continuing of the baht to strengthen against Western currencies!


agreed,
unless unpredictable things in Thailand will happen,
the Thai Bath will continue to strengthen
just want to add that on top of this,
the inflation in Thailand will also grow,
making us even more miserable.... :lol: :lol:
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Re: Baht What up with Dat?????

Postby bumper » July 2, 2010, 11:35 am

I always like the wild cards, which one is it this time. Terresa is retiring.

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Korn: Forex policy a key to BoT post

* Published: 2/07/2010 at 12:00 AM
* Newspaper section: Business

Views on foreign exchange policy will be a key factor in the selection of the next governor of the Bank of Thailand, said Finance Minister Korn Chatikavanij.

He said he discussed views on currency policies with each of the candidates competing for the position.

Under law, Mr Korn must select a new governor 90 days before the expiration of the current governor's term. Incumbent governor Tarisa Watanagase will retire from the central bank this October.

Four candidates have applied for the post: Bandid Nijathaworn, a deputy central bank governor, Prasarn Trairatvorakul, the president of Kasikornbank, Thirachai Phuvanatnaranubala, the secretary-general of the Securities and Exchange Commission, and Pisit Leeahtam, dean of economics at Chiang Mai University.

While monetary policy is firmly the domain of the Bank of Thailand and the Monetary Policy Committee, policy clashes between the central bank and the Finance Ministry over interest and exchange rates have not been uncommon over the past decade.

Finance Ministry officials in recent months have privately questioned why central bankers have allowed the baht to appreciate at the cost of export competitiveness.

For the central bank's part, Dr Tarisa and other officials have maintained that the baht was moving in line with other regional currencies, and that it was difficult, if not impossible, to push the unit against market forces.

Mr Korn, speaking at an event marking the 13th anniversary of the float of the baht during the 1997 economic crisis, said the crisis offered critical lessons about the dangers of excessive debt for policymakers, companies and the public.

He said flexibility in exchange rate policy was an important mechanism for helping economic development over the past decade.
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Re: Baht What up with Dat?????

Postby KHONDAHM » July 3, 2010, 7:11 am

bumper wrote:Mr Korn, speaking at an event marking the 13th anniversary of the float of the baht during the 1997 economic crisis, said the crisis offered critical lessons about the dangers of excessive debt for policymakers, companies and the public.

A lesson the current government seems to be unlearning. BTW, ditto nkstan's last post.
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Re: Baht What up with Dat?????

Postby cookie » July 4, 2010, 10:23 am

as I predicted in the past:
1) the inflation in Thailand is growing.
2) the Thai Bath will get stronger in the second half of this year
but everything is possible of course ;) ;)

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SECOND-HALF ECONOMY
Higher inflation seen despite relief steps
By The Nation
Published on July 3, 2010

Bank of Thailand (BOT) forecasted the inflation rate in the second half might be accelerated despite the extended period of the government's costofliving relieving measure to the year end.
Bandid Nijathaworn, deputy governor of BOT, said yesterday that the inflation rate in the second half of this year is still likely to accelerate though the government has extended a sixmonth period for relieving the cost of living measures until the end of this year, resulting from inflating other factors.

However, Monetary Policy Committee meeting on July 14 will consider many factors such as forecast on inflation rate and economic growth in the next period in determining its interest policy rate, not just current inflation.

Inflation rate in June rose by 3.3 per cent yearonyear, resulting in a 3.5 per cent growth rate of inflation on average in the first six months.

Electricity Generating Authority of Thailand (EGAT) yesterday also the costofliving relieving measures might affect on funds raising for investment in the long term.

EGAT Governor Suthat Pattamasiriwat said that one of measures - the fixed fuel tariff (FT) rate - though it would not affect on the authority's finance status in the short term, it was likely to affect its credit rating when to be raised for new investments in the long run.

EGAT is expected to bare Bt6 billion in expenditures derived from the fixed FT rate until the end of the year following the government's populist policy to relieve the cost of living.

Finance Minister Korn Chatikavanij yesterday said that the cost of living relieving measure would not affect the country's fiscal stability in both long and short terms.

He added that it is apparent that the government would be able to collect tax revenue of total over Bt200 billion in this fiscal 2010 year, which means the country would experience budget deficit this year at only Bt100 billion.

Meanwhile, Sathit Limpongpan, secretarypermanent for Finance Ministry, commented on the budget spending of the government on populist policy yesterday that it would not affect much on the fiscal status.

He said the government's populist policy has so far helped for spending on water, electricity, railway and bus fares to lowerincome earners, not all people. If the government would spend more budget on additional helps, it would not affected much on fiscal status. Public debt is now 42 per cent of gross domestic product (GDP), which is not exceeding 60 per cent as targeted.

The Federation of Thai Industries (FTI) is concerned about the uncertain financial problems of Thailand's major importers, especially in Europe; the fragile domestic political situation; and exchangerate fluctuations. These factors may have major negative impacts on the economy in the second half of the year.

Vice chairman Tanit Sorat said yesterday the financial problems were the main cause of concern. The group is also keeping an eye on the economic recovery in the US and Japan.

As to fluctuations in the currency exchange rate, if the baht appreciates in the second half of the year it will have an impact on the export sector. So, the central bank's handling of the rate is important.

The FTI has paid less attention to the political situation as the unrest in April and May had little impact on the industrial sector as the global market was recovering. The only sector that remains weak is tourism. The average occupancy rate of hotels in Thailand is now 30 per cent.

Although toning down the political impact on the economy in the second half, the government must assure foreign investors and tourists about investing and travelling in Thailand. The government should actively promote tourism.

The automotive industry is now expected to turn out 1.7 million units this year, up from the previous estimate of 1.4 million units. The average utilisation rate in all industries' production is around 75 per cent compared with 6165 per cent in 2009. These show that industries, which are the real engine of the country's economy, remain strong, Tanit said.
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Re: Baht What up with Dat?????

Postby cookie » July 7, 2010, 10:42 am

and the newly appointed governor of the Bank of Thailand (BoT) Prasarn Trairatvorakul continues with the same policy:
according to them the Thai Bath is NOT TOO STRONG
does this mean that according to him there is room for an even stronger Thai Bath???? :-s :-s


Prasarn: RP rate to be raised to 2%

* Published: 7/07/2010 at 10:06 AM
* Online news: Breakingnews

The repurchase rate would be gradually increased from the current 1.25 per cent to 2 per cent within the end of this year, newly appointed governor of the Bank of Thailand (BoT) Prasarn Trairatvorakul said on Wednesday morning.

“I believe the policy rate would be raised from August. The central bank’s monetary policy committee will oversee the key rate to prevent negative impact on the money market”, Mr Prasarn said.

He praised the central bank for its ability to effectively curb the baht value from too much fluctuating over the past five years, saying the Thai currency was not too strong when compares to other currencies in the region.

The professional banker said as BoT governor, he is duty-bound to ensure stability of the economic and monetary systems in order to enhance economic expansion.

The new BoT chief expected the economy to grow by four per cent to six per cent this year.

Mr Prasarn had resigned as president of Kasikornbank Plc and his resignation will take effect from July 15.
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Re: Baht What up with Dat?????

Postby JimboPSM » July 7, 2010, 12:11 pm

Some comments on reported economic performance:

Before too much reliance is placed on reported economic figures for Thailand in the press, it should be noted that most of their reported figures are taken from the Bank of Thailand website who themselves still class many of the figures as "Provisional".

A quick (but by no means comprehensive check) shows that many of the annual figures are "Provisional" going back to 2007, as are quarterly figures going back to Q1 2008 and monthly figures to January 2008 - however, having said that, I do find it a little strange that the monthly and quarterly figures for 2007 are no longer provisional but the annual figures for 2007 still are :-k (it may just be an administrative oversight on the annual figures for 2007).

With regard to exports (which the media pays a lot of attention to) - I believe that a proportion (but I haven't attempted to work out how much) of the increase in exports reported in the media is actually due to the re-exporting of imported goods for manufacture, if that is the case the improvements in exports may not be anything like as spectacular as reported.

I recently did a comparison of the import and export of goods which (IMHO) showed that imports were rising just as spectacularly as exports.

To get a truer perspective of any improvement in economic performance the re-exporting of "imported costs" should be netted off the export figure.
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Re: Baht What up with Dat?????

Postby arjay » July 7, 2010, 12:59 pm

I did also hear on Bloomberg this morning that there has again been a net outflow of investment funds from Thailand.
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Re: Baht What up with Dat?????

Postby KHONDAHM » July 8, 2010, 1:12 pm

The figures promulgated by the Thai government are typically garbage. Projections are always more optimistic than reality would suggest. Someone is always trying to keep their job or keep somone else from looking bad. Why bother following what they report...
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Re: Baht What up with Dat?????

Postby arjay » July 14, 2010, 3:39 pm

Well, the BOT has just raised the "Repurchase Rate" up by 0.25%
Key policy rate raised by 0.25%

* Published: 14/07/2010 at 02:40 PM
* Online news: Breakingnews

The monetary Policy Committee has raised the repurchase rate from 1.25 per cent to 1.50 per cent because the economy is likely to expand at a greater rate than the previous projection of 4.3-5.8 per cent, reports said.

The policy rate was also increased to curb the inflation rate which is likely climb above the set target of 0.5 per cent to 3 per cent, the central bank said.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews ... ed-by-0-25

£ is still rising though. ;)
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Re: Baht What up with Dat?????

Postby JimboPSM » July 14, 2010, 8:07 pm

arjay wrote:Well, the BOT has just raised the "Repurchase Rate" up by 0.25%
..... The monetary Policy Committee has raised the repurchase rate from 1.25 per cent to 1.50 per cent because the economy is likely to expand at a greater rate than the previous projection of 4.3-5.8 per cent, reports said.

The policy rate was also increased to curb the inflation rate which is likely climb above the set target of 0.5 per cent to 3 per cent, the central bank said....

£ is still rising though. ;)

Any movement of the THB was likely to be small as the upward movement in the interest rate has been well signalled by the changing tone of the MPC statements from their meetings during the course of this year.

There is a Monetary Policy section on the BoT website and links to the current and past MPC statements can be found there along with dates of their future meetings:

There are three more meetings of the MPC this year (26th August, 21st October and 2nd December) and currently, from my interpretation of the language used in the current statement, I expect that there will be at least one and quite probably two further increases in the rate this year - that could change if the Fed were to start increasing rates this year (something I don't currently expect because of the way that I interpret the growth element of the brief that the Fed operates under).

It should be noted that (IMHO) a major factor influencing the thinking behind where the BoT and/or the Thai Government would like the THB exchange rate to be is based on the high imported cost of energy that it has to be funded (primarily in USD).
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Re: Baht What up with Dat?????

Postby nkstan » July 25, 2010, 8:57 am

The Bank of Thailand (BoT) has revised up this year's projection for Thailand's gross domestic product (GDP) to 6.5 to 7.5 per cent from its April's forecast of 4.3 per cent to 5.8 per cent.

According to BoT's assistant governor for Monetary Policy Group, Paiboon Kittisrikangwan the BoT also adjusted its core inflation rate (food,energy excluded) projection to 0.5 to 1.3 per cent, from the previous projection of 1 to 2 per cent.

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Good for the stocks ,but expect the baht to keep strengthening!Although,until the gov't feels the have reasonable stability and control,I wouldn't expect a free fall,but it is coming! 8-[
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Re: Baht What up with Dat?????

Postby UdonExpat » August 8, 2010, 7:50 am

The SET has been going great guns for the past week as has the THB/USD. Seems that much of the growth and potential growth is in Asia.

The USD has been dropping for 8 weeks on the dollar index.

The Thai baht had its best weekly performance against the dollar in five months after Finance Minister Korn Chatikavanij said on Aug. 4 that Southeast Asia’s biggest economy may expand as much as 8 percent in 2010, more than a June estimate of a maximum 6 percent.

Thailand’s central bank also indicated policy makers may add to the first increase in borrowing costs in almost two years, boosting the attraction of holding baht. “The economy has recovered well, so there is no need to use low interest rates,” Governor Tarisa Watanagase said this week.

The baht rose 0.7 percent in the five days to 32.06 per dollar and touched 32.03, a level not seen since May 2008.

Thailand’s “growth forecast was quite impressive, and there is more room for stocks to rise,” said Paisarn Lertkowit, a currency trader at Bangkok Bank Pcl, the country’s biggest lender. “When you compare this with other regions, only Asia has a pretty impressive growth outlook.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-0 ... funds.html
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