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Re: Baht What up with Dat?????

Postby nkstan » August 20, 2010, 8:38 am

I agree Arjay!This is relatively ''good news for us'' and the first news that might slow the downward trend for the reasons you mentioned!
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Re: Baht What up with Dat?????

Postby cookie » August 20, 2010, 10:15 am

nkstan wrote:I agree Arjay!This is relatively ''good news for us'' and the first news that might slow the downward trend for the reasons you mentioned!



the Thai economy in general, (the farm sector included) is very strong and will continue to grow. Even the political unrest this year couldn't stop the thai economy because of the strong economic fundamentals.
here are the hard numbers and more hammering news for us:


Domestic vehicles exports in July amounted to 87,605 units, an increased of 139 per cent year-on-year, and 26.45 per cent over June of this year, according to the Federation of Thai Industries.

In the first seven months of this year, Thailand exported 422,364 units, up by 53.8 per cent from the same period last year.


http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/Domestic-vehicles-exports-up-139-pct-in-July-30136202.html


and to make it even more worse:

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/08/20/business/Record-trade-defecit-amid-rising-gold-auto-part-im-30136234.html


Thailand reported a trade deficit of US$939 million (Bt29.6 billion) last month, the biggest deficit in two years, due mainly to increasing import demand for gold and auto parts to support export expansion.

The Commerce Ministry reported yesterday that the value of Thailand's exports in July grew 20.6 per cent to $15.5 billion, while imports surged 36.1 per cent to $16.5 billion, a record for imports in two years.

Exports in the first seven months jumped 34.1 per cent to $108.63 billion while imports rose 49 per cent to $103.19 billion. Trade surplus totalled $5.43 billion in the first seven months of this year, despite a huge trade deficit last month.

The ministry reported that imports saw a big jump last month due to the lower gold price compared with June this year.

Gold imports reached 44.57 tonnes, worth $1.7 billion last month, up 203 per cent from $126.6 million in June. This was due to the lower gold price in the world market, which dropped by 3.01 per cent month on month to $1,231 per ounce in July.

Imports of vehicles and parts, including automobiles and parts, and motorcycles and parts, rose steeply last month by 77.1 per cent to $697.8 million.

"Continued export growth in July has ensured that Thai exports will achieve the expansion target of 20 per cent to Bt183 billion this year, said Commerce Minister Porntiva Nakasai.

However, the appreciation of the baht has emerged as the biggest concern, with the possibility of it slowing down export growth in the remaining period, she said.

Porntiva said the baht could even strengthen to Bt30 to the US dollar. To ensure export growth, the ministry will cooperate with the Bank of Thailand to stabilise the baht, she said.



Meanwhile, following a significant growth in exports, domestic consumption and recovery in the tourism sector, the University of the Thai Chamber of Commerce (UTCC) has revised up its economic forecast for 2010 from 56 per cent to 6.57.5 per cent.

It is expected that the Thai economy has a high possibility of achieving 6.9 per cent expansion, valued at Bt9.67 trillion this year.


and more predictions:

robust economic growth would result in higher employment and more loan demand in the final quarter of this year, and next year.

Factors that may cause slowing down of economic growth are sluggish demand in the United States and the European Union, and the stronger baht, which is expected to touch Bt31.3Bt31.4 in the fourth quarter of this year, said Thanavath.


the farm sector is expecte4d to grow, even with the vietnamese intervention:

The new forecast took into account that incomes from tourism will grow by 6.02 per cent this year from minus 9.85 per cent, with the number of tourists reaching 14.6 million this year; exports are expected to grow by 23.9 per cent; domestic consumption will reach 3.8 per cent from a 1.1percent slide last year; and foreign direct investment will improve by 5.7 per cent from a 9percent decline last year.

GDP for the farm sector is projected to grow from minus 0.5 per cent last year to 2.1 per cent expansion this year, while GDP for the industrial sector will climb from minus 5.1 per cent to 11.5 per cent this year.




The assumption of 6.57.5 per cent growth is based on an estimated average exchange rate of Bt32 against the greenback, policy interest rate at 1.752 per cent, inflation at 3.5 per cent, and unemployment rate at 1.3 per cent.

Additionally, the UTCC also expected that the Thai economy will continue to grow by 45 per cent next year. Due to the strong economic fundamentals, the baht could move up to Bt30 to the US dollar next year
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Re: Baht What up with Dat?????

Postby bumper » August 20, 2010, 11:53 am

BOT is already saying it won;t we will see.
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Re: Baht What up with Dat?????

Postby bumper » August 20, 2010, 5:49 pm

Something like this may get the BOT's attention we have a new Hua Naa there now, this goes beyond the Issan rice farmers.

Business » Economics
FTI: Each 1% rise costs exporters B1bn

* Published: 20/08/2010 at 03:23 PM
* Online news: Breakingnews

For every one per cent appreciation of the Thai baht the cost to car exporters is one billion baht in lost revenue, Payungsak Chartsuthipol, chairman of the Federation of Thai Industries (FTI), said on Friday.

Mr Payungsak said the private sector was worried about the current strength of the baht as it could well drag on until next year, due to a continuation of the economic slowdown in the US and the European Union.

“The baht's value could strengthen to 30 baht to the US dollar in 2011. This has prompted manufacturers to adjust their business plan based on a foreign exchange rate of 31 baht to the dollar, to minimise business risk,” he said.

However, the private sector was confident that the Bank of Thailand would be able to stabilise the currency's value to keep it in line with other Asian countries’ currencies.

The FTI chairman was concerned that a strong baht would hurt car exports because every one per cent rise in the strength of the baht would cost vehicle makers about one billion baht in export revenue.

“Since the beginning of the year, the baht has strengthened by eight per cent, reducing automobile export values by nearly 10 billion baht.

"If the situation continues, Japanese car makers could scrap plans to move their production bases to Thailand,” said Mr Payungsak.
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Re: Baht What up with Dat?????

Postby bumper » August 21, 2010, 10:19 am

This is bad news for expats good news for Thai's. They speak mostly of the dollar interestingly the dollar index went up last night, due to people buying U.S. Treasury Bonds, The key point for us in this is the interest rates most likely going up to curb inflation. It won't matter much what currency you use the baht will strengthen. Unfortunately this time it's understandable or we would be living in a Zimbabwe economy.

Money that would normally be headed to stocks is now going to bonds. They keep talking about consumer confidence, but the real key is jobs. Hard to spend that dollar if you don't know where the next one is coming from. I would imagine that works the same with any of the currency's we use.

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ECONOMY
Exchange-rate risk challenges growing

* Published: 21/08/2010 at 12:00 AM
* Newspaper section: Business

Managing monetary and fiscal policy will become more challenging in the future, as the baht is expected to continue to gain on foreign fund flows, according to Somphob Manarungsan, an economist at Chulalongkorn University.

Exchange-rate risk will increase for Thai businesses as liquidity moves from the US and Europe to emerging markets such as Thailand, he said at a conference held yesterday by the Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi UFJ.

The baht is now at its strongest level since 2008, thanks to steady capital inflows driven by strong exports and portfolio investment. The currency, up 5.7% for the year to date, closed yesterday at 31.49/53 to the US dollar, compared with 31.52/57 on Thursday.

Dr Somphob cautioned that capital flows would remain volatile given the uncertainties in the global economic market.

"Asian markets, including Thailand, have benefited from the flood in portfolio investment into the region. But money flows could reverse quickly if there is a problem," he said.

"Not only in the equities markets, but the bond market as well. The rise in bond prices while other asset classes have fallen has pulled yields downward."

The Stock Exchange of Thailand index has risen 21% for the year to date, thanks in part to net buying by foreign investors worth 2 billion baht for the year. The index, which is closing on its highest levels in three years, closed yesterday at 893.92 points, up 2.69, in heavy trade worth 40.23 billion baht.

Sukit Udomsirikul, a senior vice-president at SCB Securities, said the index could reach 960 points based on a valuation of 12 times forward earnings.

"It will take even stronger economic fundamental improvements however for the SET to reach 1,000 points," he added.

In any case, Dr Somphob said the central bank would face challenges in managing monetary policy to avoid an excessive interest rate gap that could further spur inflows of "hot money".

Policymakers also have to consider how to take advantage of a stronger baht, such as through hastening capital goods imports for public investment.

With economic growth expected to top 10% for the first half of the year, most analysts expect the Bank of Thailand to raise its one-day policy rate, now at 1.5%, when it next meets on Aug 25 to help curb inflationary pressure over the next several quarters.


( Sounds like a vicious circle doesn't it)
But with the US economy stalled and short-term interest rates still essentially zero, a local rate hike would widen the rate gap and potentially draw even more capital inflows, putting added pressure on the baht to appreciate against the US dollar.


( Sounds like a vicious circle doesn't it)

Roong Sanguanruang, chief market analyst, for Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi UFJ, Bangkok branch, said the baht could reach 30.75 to the dollar by mid-2011 due to the favourable growth outlook and current account surplus.
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Re: Baht What up with Dat?????

Postby bumper » August 21, 2010, 10:40 am

Haha, yes Ray your right. Not that the Asian Countries agree because they see us as US and Uk partners and not Asian. Your also right that the interest rates have gone up and look to go up further in the short term. Google Fortiscue Metals if you want a good investment (spelling) :D


Thanks wish I could I only trade in Thailand I don't have the money for the big boys yet. In watching CNBC this morning some AAA stocks are really cheap now. But still beyond my means. Per them when people come out of bonds, that market will be bullish.

But speaking of vicious circles when that happens the dollar drops. It's kind of got down to you can't beat find a way to join um and offset some loss.

If a financial dummy like me can do it anyone can with a little money. I honestly don't think we will see much in changes for a few years. We have elections coming up Thailand a year or so from now, anyone else notice how Issan is being courted these days. But the reality the real money people here, are making money on that exchange rate, when they stop making money I believe we will see a different direction form the BOT.

Something like the auto's and a few more like it will effect the big money here, Rice isn't going to do it, I think we know that now. We still have farm subsidies in the states, why cause people got to eat, simple as that. The costs in farming anywhere isn't cheap anywhere today. So they throw crumbs to the farmers to keep them working just as we do in the states.

Have you guys noticed that the budget committee is complaining about the current budgets. The Democrats here have said it will take five years to have a balanced budget here. But ,those little snipits are largely ignored.
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Re: Baht What up with Dat?????

Postby nkstan » August 21, 2010, 2:13 pm

Still going down!31.45 at the moment! :roll:
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Re: Baht What up with Dat?????

Postby bumper » August 21, 2010, 2:40 pm

The news about the dollar index was on CNBC this morning,. Thailand things are closed, if there is going to be an effect more then likely Monday before we see it. I'm not convienced there will be an effect.

You know of the things that would help a lot of us is to go back to the old ATM fee's. Wouldn't mean much to me I only do that once a month now. I think the Banks have got enough blood money out of us for awhile.

Just a thought I believe that Thailand has overcome the bad press about being dangerous. Bit, it's not as inexpensive to come here for a vacation a it used to be. There are other Asia destinations that offer pretty much the same thing for considerably less money.

Oh well what do I know I have been waiting for the other shoe to drop for years, it hasn't thus far
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Re: Baht What up with Dat?????

Postby parrot » August 21, 2010, 7:15 pm

Too bad immigration numbers are considered a 'state secret' (well, it certainly seems they are). It'd be interesting to compare a particular country's expat numbers against currency rates.
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Re: Baht What up with Dat?????

Postby KHONDAHM » August 22, 2010, 7:28 am

The baht action is and will continue to be a dollar supply-side event. BOT and policies have very little to do with the baht strength. As I've posted ad naseum, as more dollars are created out of thin air and put into the money supply, the dollars out there already lose value. This will continue until the USA stops running deficits - which it can't for at least the next decade or more. Anyone in Thailand would be wise to get into hard assets fast. A big shoe is going to drop before the end of the year...
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Re: Baht What up with Dat?????

Postby bumper » August 22, 2010, 1:50 pm

Thai Baht, Malaysia's Ringgit Lead Asian Currencies Rise on Growth Outlook
By Yumi Teso - Aug 21, 2010 5:48 AM GMT+0700

Asian currencies gained this week, led by the Thai baht and Malaysia’s ringgit, as regional growth that’s forecast to surpass developed markets and relatively high yields attract investors.

The baht appreciated the most for a week since March after the central bank signaled currency gains that are in line with the regional trend can be tolerated. The ringgit reached a 13- year high after Malaysia reported its economy expanded faster than economists predicted in the second quarter and the monetary authority eased currency curbs.

“Asia’s economy is stronger than other regions and there’s the outlook for interest-rate hikes in some countries,” said Tetsuo Yoshikoshi, a senior economist at Sumitomo Mitsui Banking Corp. in Singapore. “So investors are pouring money into the region selectively.”

The baht rose 1.2 percent this week to 31.51 per dollar in Bangkok, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. The ringgit advanced 1 percent to 3.1395 and the Philippine peso gained 0.6 percent to 45.025.

Developing economies in Asia will expand 9.2 percent in 2010, outpacing growth of 2.6 percent in advanced countries, the International Monetary Fund said on July 7.

Stock exchange data show global funds have pumped more than $22 billion into India, South Korea, Indonesia and Taiwan this year as central banks around the region raise interest rates.

Baht Gains

Thailand’s currency has climbed 0.3 percent since central bank Governor Tarisa Watanagase said on Aug. 18 that the bank is “not concerned” about the baht’s gains, provided it moves in line with other Asian currencies. The rising baht won’t hurt the nation’s export competitiveness, she said.

“After the central bank said they are not concerned about the baht’s strength, interbank players sold the dollar against the baht,” said Disawat Tiaowvanich, a foreign-exchange trader at Bangkok Bank Pcl, the nation’s biggest lender. “Foreigners are still buying the Thai baht for investment.”

Economists in a Bloomberg survey predict the Bank of Thailand will increase borrowing costs by a quarter of a percentage point on Aug. 25 to 1.75 percent.

Malaysia’s ringgit reached its strongest level since 1997 after data this week showed the economy expanded 8.9 percent in the second quarter, beating the 8.4 percent median forecast in a Bloomberg survey of economists. Domestic companies can now settle cross-border transactions in ringgit and exporters can hedge currency risks beyond a previous 12-month threshold, Bank Negara Malaysia said on Aug. 18.

Philippine Remittances

The Philippine peso climbed as data showed money sent home by overseas citizens, which accounts for about a 10th of the economy, climbed the most in five months in June. The currency also approached its strongest level in three months after bids for a retail government bond totaled almost five times the amount on offer.

“The momentum is there,” said Rafael Algarra, treasurer at Security Banking Corp. in Manila. “We should probably see the peso continue to strengthen. Remittances remain strong.”

The Vietnamese dong dropped 2.1 percent to 19,475 after the central bank this week devalued the currency for a third time in the past year to boost exports.

Elsewhere, the Singapore dollar gained 0.7 percent this week to S$1.3539 against its U.S. counterpart and the Indonesian rupiah rose 0.1 percent to 8,973. Taiwan’s dollar climbed 0.1 percent to NT$31.935. South Korea’s won was little changed at 1,183.13 from 1,183.70 a week earlier.

To contact the reporter on this story: Yumi Teso in Bangkok at yteso1@bloomberg.net
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Re: Baht What up with Dat?????

Postby nkstan » August 25, 2010, 9:45 am

Another baht strengthening move!

BoT may raise interest rate today

Bank of Thailand's Monetary Policy Committee (MPC) is expected to raise its policy interest rate again today by 25 basis points, the second such rise since April 2009, in the light of better-than-expected economic performance driven by exports, investment and domestic consumption.

After the 25-basis-points increase on July 14, a similar increase today would see the policy interest rate reach 1.75 per cent. Research houses expect yet another hike of 25 basis points to 2 per cent in October or some time before the end of this year.

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Re: Baht What up with Dat?????

Postby bumper » August 25, 2010, 11:04 am

Boy this is being between a rock and hard place.
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Re: Baht What up with Dat?????

Postby nkstan » August 25, 2010, 11:26 am

Well it has been anticipated,so it might have already been build into the present quotes!But it doesn't nothing to change or stop the trend downward!
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Re: Baht What up with Dat?????

Postby JimboPSM » August 25, 2010, 12:17 pm

I have been monitoring financial and economic news for some thirty years (formerly from a business perspective and now as a hobby) - I like to check to see if the actual moves resulting from economic news matches my assessment of what those moves should be.

For most of the last decade (out of enlightened self-interest) I have been keeping pretty close tabs on the movement of the THB.

Until about three years ago I felt there was a reasonable correlation between economic news in the US and in Thailand and the resultant movements in the THB – however, since the end of the two tier system there does not appear to have been (IMHO) a full return to a free market in the THB as I only rarely find a correlation between economic news and movements in the THB these days.
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