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Re: Bailouts Exceed Combined Costs of All Major US Wars

Postby WBU ALUM » December 20, 2008, 9:46 pm

aznyron wrote:as for minimum wage
I think we do need that because unskilled people will be abused

The only people abused through wages today are those who allow it to happen to themselves.

Get more training. Get more education. Move to another part of the country. Change jobs. There are too many opportunities for Americans today for any worker to allow themselves to be abused respective to their wages. In other words, they need to get off their a55es and stop whining for government to rescue them.
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Re: Bailouts Exceed Combined Costs of All Major US Wars

Postby Pakawala » December 21, 2008, 8:15 am

To quote Ron, "close there (sic) plant or move out of the USA". This is exactly what has been happening and now the workforce is complaining because there are no jobs available in the US. So you've actually acknowledged that it is the UNIONS that have driven the corporations away from our borders.

Congratulations Ron, you've finally seen the problem of having too much Union control. :-#
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Re: Bailouts Exceed Combined Costs of All Major US Wars

Postby aznyron » December 21, 2008, 8:34 am

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Re: Bailouts Exceed Combined Costs of All Major US Wars

Postby aznyron » December 21, 2008, 11:57 am

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I decided to answer my own post with only about 5 % of the nations blue collar work force belonging to unions and with all the legislation against organized labor your way off the mark in blaming Unions for
Corporations going abroad. IT all about cheap labor no benefits and no taxes Now if you want my opinion I would charge a tariff for goods from multi nation corporations since they do not have any alliance to any country so therefore
there is no trade agreement with them this will help our tax base in the revenue lost from these scum bag companies
who only interest is there pocket book they have no love for the USA only contempt for us they are also responsible for
coup in small countries to get there people in high public office and to keep the local citizens in check and fear of retaliation from police now if you don't believe this do a google search and find out the truth. I am tired of defending America work force if your love is so great for these scum bags then why call your self American
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Re: Bailouts Exceed Combined Costs of All Major US Wars

Postby banpaeng » December 21, 2008, 10:14 pm

aznyron wrote:WBU I found a issue I agree with you I don't want government interfering with my hourly wage
I also don't want Government interfering with union contracts between labor & management
because with out government involvement we will win over any corporation as for minimum wage
I think we do need that because unskilled people will be abused I also don't want the Police involved
in breaking up strikes they are there only to keep it orderly. you see when I was younger and some one crossed the picket line he did it only once he never did it again he knew better the only way a corporation could win is to close there plant or move out of the USA and it will be more than mere 5 % union workers it would be over 50% if the Government stay out of that business but Corporations need the Government to implement laws in protecting them not us


This is totally repulsive. Who died and left the Union in charge. What gives them the right to break laws and prevent someone to go to work. It is your right to strike but it is also ones right to go to work without some bullies seeing a person after work.

You keep harping about it is only 5% of workers whom are union. Gee do you reckon this is sending a message? Are you saying the unions are not full of corruption?

Like I have said before I am not against unions. I worked in a union shop. I just do not take all the union rhetoric for truth and look myself. I also respect others which the union DOES NOT!!! It is the "my way or the highway" in the union halls.

The union can be very retarded also. I did a bit of work for the Gov't about safety policies. There were companies that participated and the union was ask to join in the process. This was for personnel safety during an emergency.

The union showed up for two meetings and had the mentality of "if we can not be in charge, we will leave" and they did. I really can say they had their members safety in mind :fryingpan: :-" #-o .

I have said this before that everyone has the right to their own opinion however there is always a different side.
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Re: Bailouts Exceed Combined Costs of All Major US Wars

Postby BKKSTAN » December 22, 2008, 6:12 am

:lol: What?No forum union? :lol: :lol:
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Re: Bailouts Exceed Combined Costs of All Major US Wars

Postby WBU ALUM » December 22, 2008, 8:27 am

How, you may ask, was the president able to give the auto makers money after Congress had voted against doing so? Because CONGRESS gave the president the authority to do so with the TARP money.

Sunday, December 21, 2008
The Final Blow Against Congress
by George Will

WASHINGTON -- A new Capitol Visitor Center recently opened, just in time for the transformation of the Capitol building into a tomb for the antiquated idea that the legislative branch matters. The center is supposed to enhance the experience of visitors to Congress, although why there are visitors is a mystery.

Congress' marginalization was brutally underscored when, after Congress did not authorize $14 billion for General Motors and Chrysler, the executive branch said, in effect: Congress' opinions are mildly interesting, so we will listen very nicely -- then go out and do precisely what we want.

Friday the president gave the two automakers access to money Congress explicitly did not authorize. More money -- up to $17.4 billion -- than had been debated, thereby calling to mind Winston Churchill on naval appropriations: "The Admiralty had demanded six ships: the economists offered four: and we finally compromised on eight."

The president is dispensing money from the $700 billion Congress provided for the Troubled Asset Relief Program. The unfounded assertion of a right to do this is notably brazen, given the indisputable fact that if Congress had known that TARP -- supposedly a measure for scouring "toxic" assets from financial institutions -- was to become an instrument for unconstrained industrial policy, it would not have been passed.

If TARP funds can be put to any use the executive branch fancies because TARP actually is a blank check for that branch, then the only reason no rules are being broken is that there are no rules. This lawlessness tarted up as law explains the charade of Vice President Dick Cheney warning Republican senators that if they did not authorize the $14 billion, the GOP would again be regarded as the party of Herbert Hoover.

Surely Cheney, a disparager of Congress and advocate of extravagant executive prerogatives, knew that the president considered the Senate's consent irrelevant.

Evidence that casualness about legality is inherent in big government is found in H.W. Brands' new biography "A Traitor to His Class: The Privileged Life and Radical Presidency of Franklin Delano Roosevelt." FDR became president on Saturday, March 4, 1933. Banks were closed that day and the next, temporarily preventing panicked depositors from withdrawing their money. At 1 a.m. Monday, FDR ordered all banks closed for four days, hoping that the fever would break. His act may have been prudent. But was it legal? Brands writes:

"He cited a section of the 1917 Trading with the Enemy Act as justification. The act had never been formally repealed, but a body of legal theory held that the law, along with other wartime legislation, had expired upon the signing of the peace treaty with Germany in 1921."

FDR had asked the opinion of his as-yet-unconfirmed attorney general, Montana Sen. Thomas Walsh, who gave the answer FDR wanted. Walsh never had to defend this: He died March 2 en route to the inauguration.

The expansion of government entails an increasingly swollen executive branch and the steady enlargement of executive discretion. This inevitably means the eclipse of Congress and attenuation of the rule of law.

For decades, imperatives of wars hot and cold, and the sprawl of the regulatory state, have enlarged the executive branch at the expense of the legislative. For eight years, the Bush administration's "presidentialists" have aggressively wielded the concept of the "unitary executive" -- the theory that where the Constitution vests power in the executive, especially power over foreign affairs and war, the president is immune to legislative abridgements of his autonomy.

The administration has not, however, confined its aggrandizement of executive power to national security matters. According to former Rep. Mickey Edwards in his book "Reclaiming Conservatism," the president has issued "signing statements" designating 1,100 provisions of new laws -- more designations than have been made by all prior presidents combined -- that he did not consider binding on him or any other executive branch official.

Still, most of the administration's executive truculence has pertained to national security, where the case for broad prerogatives, although not as powerful as the administration supposes, is at least arguable. With the automakers, however, executive branch overreaching now extends to the essence of domestic policy -- spending -- and traduces a core constitutional principle, the separation of powers.

Most members of the House and Senate want the automakers to get the money, so they probably are pleased that the administration has disregarded Congress's institutional dignity. History, however, teaches that it is difficult for Congress to be only intermittently invertebrate.
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Re: Bailouts Exceed Combined Costs of All Major US Wars

Postby banpaeng » December 22, 2008, 8:45 am

George is making it 100% disapproval rating before he leaves :lol:
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Re: Bailouts Exceed Combined Costs of All Major US Wars

Postby WBU ALUM » December 22, 2008, 8:51 am

banpaeng wrote:George is making it 100% disapproval rating before he leaves :lol:

Not quite. The Democrats and Ron will like GWB for doing this. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Bailouts Exceed Combined Costs of All Major US Wars

Postby banpaeng » December 22, 2008, 9:38 am

Maybe you want to help also!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDC0qcf0kzE
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