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Re: Child Stars- were they all controversial

Postby jimboLV » June 27, 2009, 12:18 am

No! No! You missed the point Bob. I once had a college professor the gave us some advice on handling true and false exams. If it says the words ALL or NEVER it is false. Nothing in life is ALL or NEVER. You implied that ALL child stars are doomed to a life of dissipation and misery. This is true in many cases, MJ being a prime example. But it is not ALWAYS true. There was a post a few days ago about lottery winners and how many of them ended up miserable, penniless and in bankruptcy. The same thing happens with many people in the entertainment and sports fields, but it is not true for ALL of them. Some people achieve fame (and riches) in whatever field and go on to lead happy, well adjusted lives. I really believe that it is the parents that determine the outcome. In Michael's case, the parents and his handlers failed. In the case of Ron Howard, Brooke Shields, the Osmond's, etc. the parents obviously did a good job.
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Re: Michael Jackson passed away

Postby seymourbutts » June 27, 2009, 12:28 am

BobHelm wrote:Ron Howard - a good luck story for certain - although he started at 15 & not 5
Brooke Shields
In the spring of 2005, Shields spoke to magazines (such as Guideposts) and appeared on The Oprah Winfrey Show to publicize her battle with postpartum depression, an experience that included depression, thoughts of suicide, an inability to respond to her baby's needs and delayed maternal bonding.
Yeap a happy bunny for sure.....

Bob you are defending an out and out child botherer but making fun of a lady with a serious mental illness that is not her fault!!! WHAT ARE YOU SAYING HERE??? Is brooke a normal well adult who concsiously made these decisions to become mentally ill, who decided not to take care of her child, and should be painted with the same brush as MJ??? Fast losing this argument Bob.. jacko knew what he was doing when he took little boys to his bed ( well documented and not disputed) His defence was he just likes children so much that he wanted to sleep with them too!!! Come on Bob tell me this is not normal and you really dont blame anyone assuming very rightly he was a raving child molester... proven or not, thats just a technicality with the sums of money being thrown around!!!
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Re: Child Stars- were they all controversial

Postby saint » June 27, 2009, 8:09 am

i really do not see the point of certain individuals asking for respect for this guy because hes dead . there were plenty of jokes and wise cracks about him when he was alive , so why all of a sudden respect ??? personaly i only respect people who in my opinion deserve it . i respected his talent for sure , but the man ? no , he was a very sick puppy in my book . why is it he got christened whacko by most of the worlds press do you think ? you can throw your toys out of the pram all you want , but members on this forum have a right to give thier opinions , sometimes you will not always agree with those opinions , isnt that what a forum is all about ? ive no idea who locked the thread , and dont really care . the point im seeing now , is , we will not be silenced . [-X [-X [-X
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Re: Child Stars- were they all controversial

Postby BobHelm » June 27, 2009, 10:53 am

Yes, you are correct Jimbo I should have not used a word like ALL. However if you read my post carefully you will see that I say "All the ones I can think of". I would believe that even your professor would agree I am entitled to use ALL in these circumstances - unless, somehow he could see into my mind & dispute the fact.. I would, however, suggest that a great many more end up with a miserable existence than a happy one from early fame & fortune.
I will mind my English in future & take it you will be happy for a minuscule examination of what you post also.... :D :D
Seymourbutts if you can find anywhere in my words that I believed that Mr. Jackson was of sane mental health or should have ever been left alone near children then I will be interested to know. As far as I am aware I have NEVER suggested either of these two things. I have suggested that he was badly failed by people who should have been role models & should have taught him that actions like this were unacceptable.
Saint, you are entitled to respect just whom you feel you should respect & nobody is asking you to do differently. However, as my parents always said to me "If you can't say something good do not say anything at all". I feel this is particularly important at the time of someone's' demise.
To express commiserations to surviving family members or not to comment is a reasonable response to make fun of the event is callous.
The thread was locked for one reason only - so the moderation team could remove posts about "Child Stars" (which I had started & agreed should be moved) to a new thread. I am often amazed by the lack of tolerance shown by some members on on this site & an automatic response to blame the moderation team for censorship whenever anything happens on the forum. I can only reiterate (again) that if all members always showed a little self restraint & applied the forum rules to their posts then moderation would not be needed. After the thread was re-opened it again reverted to jokes & so another moderator re-locked it.
This is not censorship it was plainly stated that there was a place for jokes & where they should be pasted.
As for other threads having jokes on them....have people not heard of the expression that two wrongs do not make a right??? The moderators do not wish to spend their lives moving comments about on threads and have better things to do. RJ saw the way that the Michael Jackson thread was going & felt it was insensitive to his family & requested that people post Jokes in the correct place - a heinous crime for certain....
As for the "Robin Hood" thread, yes the jokes should have been deleted however I cannot see that they would/could cause offence to anybodies family & so I had better things to do that kill them, especially as the original poster (who has never posted again) was only trying to get a bit of free publicity for a pub....
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Re: Child Stars- were they all controversial

Postby saint » June 27, 2009, 1:29 pm

thanks bob , for a clear and precise explanation . =D> =D> =D>
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Re: Child Stars- were they all controversial

Postby Farang1 » June 27, 2009, 2:25 pm

The title of the thread is..."Child stars- were they all controversial?"

The answer has to be a resounding, NO! Only the ones that make the paper. Good news don't sell newspapers.

Here are a few examples. The kids from "Leave it to Beaver"
Jerry Mathers: The Beaver

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Mathers

Tony Dow: Wally Cleaver

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Dow

Kenneth Osmond: Eddie Haskell

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Osmond

Rather that do a bunch of copy n paste, I'll just post the links and you can read for your selves.
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Re: Child Stars- were they all controversial

Postby jimboLV » June 27, 2009, 2:53 pm

Touché Bob. I apologize if I got a little bit too pedantic on you, but I was trying to make a point, since this particular issue is one of my hot buttons. My daughter was in the film industry for a bit, until she came to her senses and got a real job. She worked behind the scenes and got to work closely with many of the headline “stars” (including Ron Howard). What she related to me, much to my surprise, was that most of these people were just ordinary people when they got off the set. You only hear about the ones who make headlines with their outrageous behavior. That’s all. But I am in agreement with your major premise, that many (too many) child stars make a wreck of their lives.
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Re: Child Stars- were they all controversial

Postby BobHelm » June 27, 2009, 3:46 pm

How can it be censorship when you are allowed to post this material??? Which part of the word censorship are you confused about.
I would believe that telling a joke about anyone dying, is by its very nature in bad taste. I am surprised that you may even mention that it might be a matter of "personal" taste.
You say (yet again) that this man was a paedophile, but have zero supporting evidence. Were you part of some police collecting agency that found this out - or is it what you believe to believe from things you have read somewhere??
If this is your attitude towards the death of a person who I imagine you never met or talked to then I think you need to look very carefully into your motives & examine why you feel a need to say these things. Especially why you need to say these things only on one particular thread and why another section of the Forum would not suffice....
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Re: Child Stars- were they all controversial

Postby seymourbutts » June 27, 2009, 4:13 pm

ok bob if you believe he is not a perverted child molestor then i and the majority of the world have no more to say to you on this subject....

and of course OJ was innocent too!!
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Re: Child Stars- were they all controversial

Postby BobHelm » June 27, 2009, 4:22 pm

Jack & neither would it be normally my style to comment on what posters have said after the event....but in this case I will make an exception.
I imagine that you are referring to Arjay....His first (highly controversial) remark asking poster to pay a little respect to the dead was this....
Let's please retain some respect for the deceased - whoever. If you wish to make jokes, post them on the jokes forum. That's what it's there for.

Yes, a real rant isn't it - can see why people were manning the barricades to defend their freedom of speech.
Despite that polite request some posters could not help themselves but complain about this request & carry on posting jokes.
Why???? In no place has anyone said do not post jokes about Mr. Jackson just put them in the correct place.
Up to anyone what they thought of his personal & professional life whatever happened to just plain old good manners or can people disregard that now that they can post anonymously????
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Re: Child Stars- were they all controversial

Postby beer monkey » June 27, 2009, 4:26 pm

So Ron Howard wins the day (sure there are plenty of others out there, but my flow got cut off at the mains..lol)....good work in the replys of the suggestions anyway Bob.....i think it would be wise if i just left it to Beaver...i couldn't think of anywhere better really.Image
plus i can see this lot going in the bin.... :|

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Re: Child Stars- were they all controversial

Postby BobHelm » June 27, 2009, 4:31 pm

seymourbutts wrote:ok bob if you believe he is not a perverted child molestor then i and the majority of the world have no more to say to you on this subject....

and of course OJ was innocent too!!


I believe in justice and the law, rather than mob rule or guilty by insinuation often used by the popular press , yes. Both the people you mention were tried by the laws of their country and were found innocent of the crimes they were charged with. That may have been for many reasons - the evidence was not strong enough, their lawyers were far to smart or they were innocent. the process of law was carried through & a verdict given. Or, is everybody who is ever charged with any criminal offence to be automatically treated as a convict whatever the outcome???? I have no personal knowledge of all the evidence presented to the courts in either case. Those that were there with that charge (the jury) returned not guilty, therefore they ARE not guilty - that is the way the law works....
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Re: Child Stars- were they all controversial

Postby BobHelm » June 27, 2009, 4:36 pm

beer monkey wrote:So Ron Howard wins the day


Yes, would certainly get my vote BM.
Successful in business & personal life & seeming a thoroughly all round nice guy (bas*tard :D :D ).
I, obviously, remember him from Happy Days but didn't realise before that he was 'an old hand' to the business when he started that.....
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Re: Child Stars- were they all controversial

Postby jimboLV » June 27, 2009, 10:09 pm

beer monkey wrote:
So Ron Howard wins the day


Yes, Ron is a great guy and all that, but my vote still goes to Brooke. :love:
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