Decline of British economy

Tilokarat wrote:Big Wave Dave has obviously lost it.

Easy, Tilo - you might end up with a reputation like mine!

Defending Churchill standing up to the Nazis is an easy task, but it is true I may have gone a bit too far in questioning the state of a man's mind when exercising one's democratic right of free speech.

Getting back to the slump in the U.K. economy, was it not Churchill who got the British off the gold standard in the 1920s?

And there he was during the General Strike (1926) standing on the street corner pistol at the ready to defend the state against the upholders of industrial action.

You can hear about the strike on You Tube, Winston Churchill PART 1 (4 of 6). Churchill has some interesting comments about the economic downturn. Embedding has been disabled.

arjay wrote:So much for the Decline of the British Economy.

It's a good job you lot weren't in charge of the British Economy, we certainly would have declined, - with your total inability to keep to anything in any way relevant to the topic, task or objective!!

What about a bit of FOCUS!!

Maybe you should be running or debating the Rambler's Association!!

I am sorry Arjay I beg to differ. No debate on the decline of the British economy can ignore the recent history of our island. The economic decline has gone hand in hand with the decline of other aspects of life since WW11. The morality of both the people and the elected representatives. The influx of immigrants. In any case the subject title did not specify the decline from when. I can go back and say it started when the Labour govt decided to devalue the pound, twice in one year back in the 60's. So rather than joining the ramblers , may I respectfully suggest you join the CTC and get on your bike.

Whilst I would agree with Tilokarat's post and comments, I don't see that Churchill's war time exploits, or the bombing of London, Coventry or Dresden had/have anything to do with the Decline of the British Economy. (Note British Economy, not British Empire!)

ENGLAND

I think this really sums it all up.

After hearing that many cities did not want to offend other cultures by putting up Xmas lights, so DIDN'T!

After hearing that the Birmingham council changed its opinion and let a Muslim woman have her picture on her driver's licence with her face covered.

After hearing of a Primary School in Birmingham where a boy was told that for PE they could wear Football League shirts (Aston Villa,Birmingham, West Brom etc) but NOT an England shirt as it could offend others !

This prompted the editorial below written by a UK citizen.
Published in a British tabloid newspaper.

IMMIGRANTS. NOT BRITONS, MUST ADAPT.

Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture.. Since the terrorist attacks on London , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Brits.

However, the dust from the attacks has barely settled and the 'politically correct' crowd begin complaining about the possibility that our patriotism is offending others.

I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Britain . However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.

This idea of London being a multicultural centre for community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Britons, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of wars, struggles, trials and victories fought by the untold masses of men and women who laid down their lives and one of the millions of men and women who have sought freedom.

We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language! 'In God We Trust' is our National Motto.

This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools.

If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture. If St.George's cross offends you, or you don't like ' A Fair Go', then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet.


We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this.

But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our National Motto, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great British freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.

If you aren't happy here then P*** OFF! We didn't force you to come here.

You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted. Pretty easy really, when you think about it. I figure if we all keep passing this to our friends (and enemies) it will also, sooner or later get back to the complainers, lets all try, please.

[quote="Tilokarat"][color=#8000BF][b]Big Wave Dave has obviously lost it.

Churchill, from what I remember, did have qualms about the work of Bomber Harris. Nevertheless, I doubt that the population of the United Kingdom and the Commonwealth was overly concerned about Hitler's civilians.

Churchill was brilliant as a leader, politician, tactician, painter, writer and inspirer of men, but he was also mortal and made mistakes.

However, he was more right than wrong over the course of his career. His determination and sheer audacity in standing up to Hitler marks him as a great man in itself.

Enlighten me as to why you think i have lost it please!!

No worries Til... i just dont think he was that good... ok if he was the PM now and we went to war he would be very unpopular.. and my judgement is made on my cultural and moral beliefs of today.. So lets just say we are both right depending on which decade you are observing from..

lets also say that to many Saddam was a hero!! he probably murdered less civillians than churchills decisions did!!!! (The population of the United Kingdom and the Commonwealth were a very concerned about Saddams actions) Yet they wern't in ww2 when it directly concerned them!! Human nature i think..

And this is the trouble with the british economy today i believe....

Dave I posted my feeling about Sir Winston but I do want to ad I think the USA & UK was wrong in going to war with Iraq and executing S/H but going back to the days of WW 2 I was a young boy I remember the blackout covering the windows with blankets going to food stores with ration coupons to buy groceries
and this was in the USA the UK had it much worse they witnessed there cities being bomb and yes civilians were killed and I also know it was the German people who put Hitler in to power as the old saying go
you might get what you pray for and Germany got it with Hitler so if Sir Winston Churchill ordered the bombing of Cities in Germany he was justified in doing so and I applaud him for doing it sadly some innocent people got killed but this is the price you pay when you want to take over the world and force your ideology and politics on your neighboring countries like we are trying to do in the M/East

off topic i know , but after reading mortis post , and all the bits about winnie , good guy ,bad guy ect i got too thinking all those poor souls who died or where mamed in WW 2 were i beleive fighting to stay free . i reckon a total waste of life , when you consider that englishmen and women are not free in there own country , and before long will indeed be a minority in that country . imagine if you will a conflict similar happening today , how many imagrants who have enjoyed all britain has to offer ,would fight for their adopted country , my guess is not many . there would be the biggest exodus the world had ever seen . incidently to stay a little on topic , there is a hell of a lot of money that leaves britain on a monthly basis ,to immagrants home lands , now that cant help , can it ??? i realise this post makes me sound racist ,which i am not , but facts are facts , it may not be P C but i will learn to live with it , after all its too much P C that has contributed to the mess britain is in today . and from what people who are unfortunate enough to still live there tell me , its getting worse , even to the extent of teaching islam in main stream schools .

the ozzies got it right..... if you dont swear allwgence to the flag eff off.... easy

British, economy?

What is that? Over the past 232 years, the only economy the Britiots have had has been via the USA's, and most recently, dependent direct from the Chinese, and other Asian economies. Once the USA had gained its independence, The UK became the USA’s little bitch whore.

UK is even dependent upon the French and wow, as well as the German and Russian economy. The best thing the UK might have is, Canada.

It figures, that the average Ex-pat Brits would argue such issues, from living abroad in Udon Thani.

Saying the Brits have their own economy, is like saying, the British have an actual empire.

The empire is long gone dead, and will never exist again, as in, never in a million Years. The average UK citizen here, loves their country so much; they left it all behind, for Muslims terrorists, and Indians to take care of it. I am sure that is bad, and I know all Anglo Saxon Brits are the minority. I would argue the USA, but they were stemmed from immigrants from day one, via Europe, hence the “Melting Pot” saying.

I would never say the USA is the best of anything. When is the last time any American has even seen an American Indian.? How many Americans can say “Oh, meet my Indian buddy, Blue Balls Screaming Eagle $hit”. The USA has more Chinese than Native American Indians.

One could even go so far as to say that if the rest of the world hates the USA so much, that they should hate England equally, because they drew first blood over a mere 200 plus years ago,forcing the colonials to fight for independence, and like always through out England’s history, ultimately they got waxed by a bunch of country hicks.

I can go to the UK tomorrow and live fairly well for nearly free, because the average British citizen voted to give myself and or any other wanna be immigrant all the benefits the average Brit can never get. I can technically get a free house within 24 hours anywhere in England.

The masses of idiots voted for the idiots that passed the laws.

I am definitely not saying this does not happen in America. It’s been happening for a lot of years, but regardless, and in countless ways, America in my opinion, dictates the worlds economy. I could be wrong, but I’m putting it very simple. Not rocket science, and for sure not Thai rocket science, if there is such a thing.

From what I have observed here in Udon, some Brit folks seem to piss on each other, ones self, and then finally some piss on the country they reside in. That said, it’s nearly the same for all country men of all other countries, of which they escaped to be here.

Some pretend to conquer, piss on, and piss on the pissed. Maybe Hitler did kick a goal.

I do like the UK, but damn, that place is way more Jacked than the U.S.A.

What a shame for such a beautiful country.

Anyone remember the opening of the Dartford tunnel. Our wonderful government informed us as soon as they recovered the cost of building and maintenance the toll charge would be abolished.
Went up to 1pound 50p last week an increase of 50%. Apparently the queues are getting longer and longer as drivers look for the extra 50p in their pockets.
I suppose another tax via the back door was inevitable under the present decline in our economy.