Difference between British & Thai Police

I don't think that there is so much difference between the Thai cops and Brit cops, the system in England is institutionalised thieving, for example the speed cameras that generate billions for the "policeman's ball", local and central government. UK Police double speak says that speed cameras save lives, but they would wouldn't they ?

All police services in UK are now really registered PLCs, with profit and targets as their real motives. The ordinary plods are the ones who harvest the cash for the cop bosses, in Thailand, the ordinary cops get their fair share. Essentially it is the same . UK plods also get up to incredible things to get overtime payments and their "pensions" also are very very dubious, most get shoe-ins for other public sector jobs , same as in Thailand, i am sure

But the high number of road accidents is little to do with policing, it is the general culture of ignoring the traffic laws. In England and Northern European countries the vast majority of road users would still drive safely.

Oh udonuk, you really are not on the same planet are you, anything that smacks of anything institutional is fair game for you.
I can assure you that
1. The police DO NOT get any income from speed cameras.
2. Fines and other so-called money generators are in fact paid to the Government.
3. As for pensions my contract was paying 11% of my income for my pension for at least 30 years in order to acquire any sort of pension BUT and this is a BIG BUT, I was NOT allowed to have any other employment whatsoever, even had to declare my wifes job JUST in case it could have had repercussions on my job. ( I do not expect you to understand that at all )
4. let me tell you many many police officers get jobs on merit not automatically in the public sector where their attitudes are in the main unacceptable for many leftist thinking government offices, but in jobs where their skills are needed.
5. As for payments being dubious, as a pensioner I have to pay UK tax, I cannot opt outas many here have and do.

Whatever you think ( i use that word loosely regarding you). many police officers work bloody hard at doing their job mainly having to deal with the scum of society of all hues, so next time you wish to bash the Plod as you call it, do not forget if we are as you describe your rants may come home to roost.

Khun Paul wrote:Oh udonuk, you really are not on the same planet are you, anything that smacks of anything institutional is fair game for you.
I can assure you that
1. The police DO NOT get any income from speed cameras.
2. Fines and other so-called money generators are in fact paid to the Government.
3. As for pensions my contract was paying 11% of my income for my pension
4. let me tell you many many police officers get jobs on merit not automatically in the public sector where their attitudes are in the main unacceptable for many leftist thinking government offices, but in jobs where their skills are needed.
5. As for payments being dubious, as a pensioner I have to pay UK tax, I cannot opt outas many here have and do.

Whatever you think ( i use that word loosely regarding you). many police officers work bloody hard at doing their job mainly having to deal with the scum of society of all hues, so next time you wish to bash the Plod as you call it, do not forget if we are as you describe your rants may come home to roost.

Well that is the point of a forum after all, to put forward DIFFERENT points of view, not only the establishment's.

I just wanted to make the point that UK poiice use INSTITUTIONALISED Corruption rather than the individual version practised by Thai cops. And it is essentially the same. Many of things you say KhunPaul seem a little naive for a police officer. EVERY police service is NOW a PLC !!!! I wonder WHY that is ?
Police get no cash from speed cameras eh ? They do in EVERY 1st world country. It is all to pay the HUGE pensions and expenses of the Police bosses, Judges, MPs, Admirals. Very little will be spent on road safety.

Police officers retire at 50, many then go on to get jobs with local government because of "contacts". Masons etc. I have witnessed this personally many times in Nottinghamshire CC.

Spanish practices of police overtime is the next massive scandal in UK. They spend most of day in police station and then JUST before shift end, they are suddenly "called out" thereby creating overtime payments. Car expenses is another great scam too, it will all come out maybe in the new government cutbacks. These payments are increasing massively year on year. You will read all about this very soon in UK newspapers, Daily Mail has already had several articles about it.

I KNOW that police have extremely difficult job, I wouldn't do it, but you seeem to think mentioning police corruption is tantamount to "police bashing" ? That was NOT my intention at all

I repeat , i just want to express my opinion that UK and most first world police forces have institutionalised corruption , and IT IS essentially SAME SAME as Thai police, and the high incidence of accidents in Thailand is mainly due to cultural reasons

There was a big fall in the number of speed-camera penalties after police and local authorities lost the right to keep the proceeds.

The drop came in the same year that road deaths fell to their lowest level since records began, undermining claims that an increase in cameras improves road safety.

In 2005 , the uK Transport Minister ADMITTED that police forces were allowed to keep a portion of the fines.

Of course there is a strong element of being brain washed when you become police/army, accepting the hierarchy, i understand this
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 208114.ece

K.P. Dont let udonuk1 wind you up, most people know what is right and it is not what he is saying.

no i am not anti police. but during the miners stike i was on the motorway with my brother and sister in law we pulled into motorway services where there was many many police none of them had their no on shoulders. also it was in the papers last week that the uk gov spent 23 million pounds to a security firm for security on police stations in uk. i dont know any other country that does this. do you. apart from iraq.

Thanks cryptic, I had in fact come to same conclusion, there are some who having nothing better to do, think up situations in order to drop a probable arguing point on a post which was initially about a situation here and they lead it into another avenue , in doing so then hijack it to put their own slant of life on the proceedings.
if one looks at many posts made by the same person the input is roughly the same a rant/diatribe or even downright accusing an governmental agency of dojng something illegal in HIS eyes.
Putting ones own viewpoint is acceptable but when one does so, one should be aware that having a go as it were must be tempered with a degree of accuracy which can be proven. As with all things there are many p[eole on this forum who have had many experiences in many countries . But when one is stating blatant lies about ones own country, it does get a little hard to allow these fellows to vent their own frustrations on the site without a reply.
i have come to the conclusion that he is a sad person and i will in future ignore his remarks on any post as the ramblings of a dysfunctional child .

I live next to a Thai policeman, a few weeks ago , he was knocked over by runaway teenage scooter rider, and sustained bad leg injuries. But he was at work within a week ! He still hobbles about . If it was British police, he/she would be off work for 6 months. Not only do the Brit cops fiddle overtime and car expenses, retire at 50 and then get push in for other easy public sector jobs. , they spend more time on holiday than actually at work ! This article in Daily Mail describes the tricks they get up to

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1296122/Police-spend-time-holiday-work.html

udonuk1 wrote:I live next to a Thai policeman, a few weeks ago , he was knocked over by runaway teenage scooter rider, and sustained bad leg injuries. But he was at work within a week ! He still hobbles about . If it was British police, he/she would be off work for 6 months. Not only do the Brit cops fiddle overtime and car expenses, retire at 50 and then get push in for other easy public sector jobs. , they spend more time on holiday than actually at work ! This article in Daily Mail describes the tricks they get up to

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1296122/Police-spend-time-holiday-work.html

There is probably a lot of difference between the two when it comes to ""work''.Thai police do not sudcsribe to the job description of ''protect and serve''the public.If you are injured trying to stop a disresprctal teenager trying to escape an inconsistent helmut enforcement stop,it is peobably just as easy yo lay around with your partners in extortion than stay home!

Ok gloves off, Udonuk, you are right in that the article stated that in fact mnay poilce seem to have more time off then work, but that is where your post ends, anything else is a lie.
1, Police must retire after thirty years fact and law.
2. Health and Safety decide when a Police officer can return coupled with a doctor who supervises the sickness level of a police officer.
3. In all my 30 odd years working as a Police officer fewer than 0.2% had second jobs and fewer than 0.1 % were considered as having too much sickness, those that did wee complained about by those that worked.

It is obvious to me and possibly many others that YOU do not like British Police , and I ask you to keep your baised untruths to yourself, I find your attacks not consistent with those who have worked and lived in England and now live here.
You lie about the Police at every opportunity, sure there are bad apples in any barrel but nowhere near to the level to which you allude.

You claim to put forward another viewpoint but couple that with institutionalised corruption, really when one thinks of the laws passed and how the hell the police are supposed to deal with the myriad of laws, including those laws that actually stop them from doing a good job for the benefit of the public, it is a wonder we have any officers on the streets at all.

people always blame the police whenever they think something is going wrong however they are the first people they will call if something affects them .

I spent many years with all my colleagues assisting and helping people as well as dealing with people who did not like us for whatever reasons, and I can tell you in all my years I was thanked more by criminals than honest folk, why, in reality the criminal understands the task we have and if we do it well they are caught, it was only in my last years did the so-called criminal ' the yoblet ', not only attacked the police at every occasion but also lied about everything including allegations of assault etc against the police for what reason he had been caught and with the current system in the courts it was never ending task.

The criminal NOW has more rights than the Police, Public or even the victim, it will go full circle, it has too or else the country will descend into anarchy, BUT I AM SURE you will blame someone else for that as well.

So next time before you vent your other opion against the British Police think of this, you have the right to do so because of the laws of England which are upheld by so very few people some of whom have told me, the job has changed the people have changed and they are glad to retire and yes they are moving away from the country they have served for so many years, WHY probably because of having to deal with people like you.

Policemen and garbage men perform the same function; the only difference is police deal with human garbage.







I never had the desire to be a garbage man.

Khun Paul
There are wind up merchants and many devils advocates on this site.
Your replies are factual and usually correct. Others live in a fantasy world and have nothing to do but make up silly stories

Hi,
Khun. Agree with you 100% in what you say. At least you know what you are talking about regarding this subject. Which is more than some.
Udon you say a Thai Police man received bad leg injuries, and was back at work within a week. You don't state how bad the injuries were or what the doctors report on his injuries was. Seeing you state they were bad, are you a doctor. I once broke a bone in my foot. A lot of people, except the doctor who treated me, said it looked bad, but it wasn't really. Had plaster on for six weeks. I was back at work within one week. Not doing my usual routine but sitting behind a desk.

Khun Paul wrote:you have the right to do so because of the laws of England which are upheld by so very few people some of whom have told me, the job has changed the people have changed and they are glad to retire and yes they are moving away from the country they have served for so many years, WHY probably because of having to deal with people like you.

Yes upheld by very few people, you have to look with a magnifying glass to find police officers on the street in England nowadays. But strangely enough, there is NO shortage of them when you drive up the M1 with their speed guns.

Respect for police service for me diminished with the miners' strike. They were used in a totally political way. Following that was the tax raising from middle class motorists, police speed traps generating millions for public bodies. Recently the vast differences between the public and private pensions have been brought into focus by the economic collapse. As someone who worked in the private sector, i have to work from 16-18 to 65, soon to be raised to 70. This is in HUGE contrast to public sector workers, police work 20 years LESS to have a gold plated pension. As i have said previously, from PERSONAL experience, i know that police are recruited into other public sector jobs and receive even MORE pension. I have also read many articles about the overtime , car paments that police receive and how little actual work they do . This is from a POLICE INSPECTOR'S report in the Daily Mail yesterday. The URL link, i put , previously.

It shows how police like to do their hours on Monday morning when there is little to do, but the number of officers around at "peak" periods is much smaller.
Another article in the (normally right wing) Daily Mail today shows that Pensions for local government workers costs a QUARTER of ALL council tax, no doubt there are EVEN higher pension costs for police . I just want to highlight the difference between the public sector police and PRIVATE sector.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1296373/Town-halls--5bn-pensions-thats-quarter-council-tax.html

Returning to the thread, Thai police receive none of these cons, pensions. THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE !
Yes police are public servants, but they are abusing the public, a public who works 20 years longer than them for a tiny pension. I think that the public has a right to know what EXACTLY our tax money is being spent on, including the police.

My argument is based on personal experience (some family members are police officers) and what i read in newspapers, as i have said previously, this does not amount to "hatred of the police". It is just putting forward of an argument, WITHOUT personal abuse (which is ACTUALLY against the rules of this site).

Is this by any chance something you feel strongly about UdonUK1?

Well I still respect the police. They have a difficult job to do, wherever, and I can't say I would want to do their job. ........... Would you?