Dual Nationality applications UK-Thai.

Thought i would start this topic from fresh,i know there is another one going on elsewhere but that did start off as Thai citizenship for farangs story,and i see this as a bit different anyway....

I will be shortly looking into getting/applying for a Thai Passport for the little one, he was born in UK to a Thai Mother and i am british, he has a UK passport and uk birth certificate but not a thai birth certificate,has anyone done this application from the UK or have you applied for the Thai passport in Thailand ? and did the child travel in on a UK passport and leave on a Thai,if so how does it work with immigration??(is that possible?) What is easier ? is it the same process for all countries ? if you have already done this for USA or euro countries please post here too, even if you have already posted it elsewhere.
some say they have done it and someone says the embassy won't do it if you already have a different country passport already.

I will be enquiring with the Embassy soon, but would like to hear some first hand experiance too, so length of time, cost,whats needed or any problems en-countered etc
Have read the posts on the other thread,but thought it better to get the posts on here without bringing the citizenship for farangs into it,i was thinking of posting this some time ago but the recent posts regarding this has prompted me to ask now.
Thanks.

BM,

Our situation was slightly different, however i looked into a few different senarios when doing my research.

Firstly i will post on how i was advised on our situation and then yours.

Our daughter was born in Thailand.

Mother Thai, Father British.

Was told by the British Embassy that You should apply for the Thai passport first and then the British.

As the Thai passport application form asks if you are a national of any other country. (if you say yes then passport will not be granted) this was later confrimed by the Passport application place in Khon Kaen.

So we applied for the Thai passport in KK simple process, i forget the price but not more than 2000 baht, snet to BKK and then posted back to our home address in Udon within a week.

Next thing was to apply for the British passport.

If you were legally married at the time of Birth then it can all be done with the British embassy in Bangkok via postal service.

Again i can't remember the exact cost but about 5000-7000 baht.

If you were not married at the time of birth then you have to go to the Embassy in person and fill in a questionaire mainly asking you to prove you still have strong links with Britian.

This costs an additional approx 5000 baht.

We also had to pay for the Childs birth registering which can all be done at the same time. about another 7000 baht.

I seem to remember the whole thing costing about 20,000 baht

She now has both Passports and both Birth Certificates.

Now on to your case.

Incidentally my British friend Has just had a child in england and in going through this at the moment.

Born in England

Mother Thai, Father English

He was going to apply for the British Passport first and then fly to Thailand on that passport on the next trip and get the Thai Passport when he got there.

Luckily he and his Thai wife spoke to the Thai Embassy in the UK first to check this was the correct thing to do,

The Thai embassy's response was that They should apply for a Thai passport first for the Thai Embassy in the UK as they would not be able to obtain a Thai passport after becoming a passport holder in a different country.

Once the Thai passport is issued then you can apply for a British Passport either in the UK or in Thailand.

This being the case, i'm not sure you will be able to get a Thai passport for your child, without lying on the Thai passport application form an papaguido did.

I'm sure other people have different experiences but these 2 are current and factual.

Hope i've been of help.

Kev

Yes that is helpful, Thanks.

Ling,
I think you already know my situation regarding this one... but pretty much went as Kevh describes in his post (except the cost was much less).
Thai passport was 1035 Baht (Khon Kaen, in and out in 20 minutes and she slept the whole way through it, including the photo shoot and 'big' toe print... bless 'er).
Birth registration was done at the hospital before wife was discharged... cost 40 or 50 Baht (don't remember exactly, but was peanuts)
Certified English translation of Birth cert. was 300Baht (Udon)
British passport was just over 4,000 Baht.

Total was less than 6,000 Baht, including the diesel to KK and back.

any other queries... see me down the Winchester

What I find reassuring here is the advice from the British Embassy was helpful, correct and extremely useful. Nice to hear when most of the comments about them are complaining about them. Just a thought.

kevh wrote:BM,

Our situation was slightly different, however i looked into a few different senarios when doing my research.

Firstly i will post on how i was advised on our situation and then yours.

Our daughter was born in Thailand.

Mother Thai, Father British.

Was told by the British Embassy that You should apply for the Thai passport first and then the British.

As the Thai passport application form asks if you are a national of any other country. (if you say yes then passport will not be granted) this was later confrimed by the Passport application place in Khon Kaen.

So we applied for the Thai passport in KK simple process, i forget the price but not more than 2000 baht, snet to BKK and then posted back to our home address in Udon within a week.

Next thing was to apply for the British passport.

If you were legally married at the time of Birth then it can all be done with the British embassy in Bangkok via postal service.

Again i can't remember the exact cost but about 5000-7000 baht.

If you were not married at the time of birth then you have to go to the Embassy in person and fill in a questionaire mainly asking you to prove you still have strong links with Britian.

This costs an additional approx 5000 baht.

We also had to pay for the Childs birth registering which can all be done at the same time. about another 7000 baht.

I seem to remember the whole thing costing about 20,000 baht

She now has both Passports and both Birth Certificates.

Now on to your case.

Incidentally my British friend Has just had a child in england and in going through this at the moment.

Born in England

Mother Thai, Father English

He was going to apply for the British Passport first and then fly to Thailand on that passport on the next trip and get the Thai Passport when he got there.

Luckily he and his Thai wife spoke to the Thai Embassy in the UK first to check this was the correct thing to do,

The Thai embassy's response was that They should apply for a Thai passport first for the Thai Embassy in the UK as they would not be able to obtain a Thai passport after becoming a passport holder in a different country.

Once the Thai passport is issued then you can apply for a British Passport either in the UK or in Thailand.

This being the case, i'm not sure you will be able to get a Thai passport for your child, without lying on the Thai passport application form an papaguido did.

I'm sure other people have different experiences but these 2 are current and factual.

Hope i've been of help.

Kev

First off I don't appreciate being called a liar for events that I'm relating to which I have experienced. Secondly, I never denied our childrens nationality. What I stated was that the question of passports from another country never came up. In my son's case, born in the US, the application form doesn't even ask about claiming another nationality or passport. Being that my son was born in the US the assumption is that he is a US Citizen and the Thai consulate staff never questioned his nationality nor asked if he had a US passport.

In my daughters case born in Thailand, my wife applied for my daughters passport without my presence and submitted a copy of my passport and other required documentation. And as my wife related to me, the only question that came up was why I wasn't there. My wife provided and explaination that satisfied the person handling my daughters application. Once again the issue of the paasport never came up.

Lastly, I did a search on thaivisa.com, key words: Dual Nationality and no where could I find anything about anyone having the experience that you have related concerning dual nationality. In fact, Thailand reconizes dual national citizens. Furthermore, if it where such a concern than you would think it would be referenced in the Thai Nationality Act, Chapter 1, section 7.

http://www.ibiblio.org/obl/docs3/THAILA ... ty_Act.htm

Nor is it referenced here:

http://www.thaiembdc.org/consular/con_i ... ationality

BM,

In my experience for aquiring a passport for my son (born in the US) our first step was to apply for a Thai birth certificate at Thai Consulate in Los Angeles. They required the following:

-Copy of mother's passport (or Thai ID), copy of fathers of passport
-Birth Ceritificate (US) and I think this had to be notorized or certified true copy or something like that.
-Completed application form
-Marriage Certificate
-two passport photos of my son
-Fee (don't recall)

*Incidently, we had also applied for my son's US passport about the same time we applied for his Thai Birth Certificate and was received before applying for Thai passport.

Once we received the birth certificate a few weeks later. We return to the consulate to apply for a Thai passport. We submitted the following:

-Son's Thai birth certificate
-Application Form
-Copy of mother's passport (or Thai ID), copy of fathers of passport
-two passport photos
-marriage certificate
-Fee (don't recall)

When traveling to Thailand, my son enters Thailand with Thai passport.
When traveling to US, he enters using US passport. But are prepared to show both if asked.

I have read of a case in other forum of a guy who's child is a dual national and upon entering Thailand the Immigration Officer didn't understand dual nationality and question his father about details of his son's passport. The father getting no where in trying expain dual nationality finally asked to speak to the officers supervisor. The superverisor quickly understood and passed them through.

...and really I'm not lying

Oh and in case you missed i my other post:

http://www.thaiembdc.org/consular/con_i ... ationality

Papaguido,

It is a FACT that on the thai passport application form, it does ask in writing if the applicant has any other nationality, therefore in your sons case, you or your wife must have answered the question.

All i am trying to do here is get the facts, its quite possible you didn't realise what was being answered on the form, if your wife did it. Thai's are fairly well known to bend the truth a little.

But don't tell everyone that the question didn't come up because its on the form.

Bye the way are you the guy i'm thinking of? Living in PK5?

Kev

Kev, I'm not trying to get in a pissing contest with you, I'm just relating my experience as it happened. In Los Angeles the application doesn't contain that question (proof of that can be downloaded from the Los Angeles Thai Consulate website: http://www.thai-la.net/etc/download-form.htm

In my daughters case I couldn't tell you if my wife had bend the truth or not and she doesn't remember if the question was asked or how she answered if were asked. But I couldn't imagin my wife having to bend the truth because she didn't know any different. But if it were an issue than I'm sure it would have come up when my wife gave them a copy of my passport. But like said it never came up.

I do live in PK5, but I couldn't tell you if I'm the guy you're thinking of.

Thanks All, for posting your experiances.

beer monkey wrote:Thanks All, for posting your experiances.

BM a further thing to consider that if your son gets Thai citizenship he will have to report for conscription when he is 18. I know its a long way off but its something to think about. Living abroad doesn't excuse him, he will be grabbed at any time he returns here.

valentine wrote:BM a further thing to consider that if your son gets Thai citizenship he will have to report for conscription when he is 18. I know its a long way off but its something to think about. Living abroad doesn't excuse him, he will be grabbed at any time he returns here.

The exact reason why me and the missus bottled out in all honesty, although I have heard that a small (ish) payment can eradicate the call up

Good luck in your quest BM

Thanks for the link Papaguido.

I agree the form applying usa does not ask the applicant about being a national of any other country.

However, the application forms in the thai embassy's in the uk and also in thailand itself are different. They both ask the both ask if the applicant has a previous nationality.

Therefore things must be slightly different for the half british thai and the half american thai.

Incidentally, i think the original poster BM is a Brit.

BangkokButcher wrote:

valentine wrote:BM a further thing to consider that if your son gets Thai citizenship he will have to report for conscription when he is 18. I know its a long way off but its something to think about. Living abroad doesn't excuse him, he will be grabbed at any time he returns here.

The exact reason why me and the missus bottled out in all honesty, although I have heard that a small (ish) payment can eradicate the call up

Good luck in your quest BM

Good point val,something extra to think about indeed.

Today my little boy has been very lively we had a walk down town and he had his sqeaky mickey mouse sandels on and he has been walking/running around the house with his little shopping trolley and Toy Vacuum Cleaner,i did try to imagine him in the Thai army in a hut somewere in Thailand with all the kit on, but it did'nt seem right somehow.
Anyway...
does the call up really happen(to dual holders living outside of LOS on return) ???
and has it happened to any readers on here, its really the wife that wants to get the toddler a thai passport,i am not worried really, but will have to chat to her about this stuff,it may well turnout as kevh has posted that its not possible to do it anyway, so that would be end of. !!


Thanks again all.