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English Law changing??

Postby Pakawala » September 16, 2008, 6:27 pm

I've just had this forwarded to me...

Britain Adopts Islamic Law, Gives Sharia Courts Full Power to Rule on Civil Cases


From the Times of London

Islamic law has been officially adopted in Britain, with sharia courts given powers to rule on Muslim civil cases.

The government has quietly sanctioned the powers for sharia judges to rule on cases ranging from divorce and financial disputes to those involving domestic violence.

Rulings issued by a network of five sharia courts are enforceable with the full power of the judicial system, through county courts or the country's High Court, a part of its Supreme Court system.

Previously, the rulings of sharia courts in Britain could not be enforced, and depended on voluntary compliance among Muslims.

Politicians and church leaders expressed concerns that this could mark the beginnings of a “parallel legal system” based on sharia for some British Muslims.

Dominic Grieve, the shadow home secretary, said: “If it is true that these tribunals are passing binding decisions in the areas of family and criminal law, I would like to know which courts are enforcing them because I would consider such action unlawful. British law is absolute and must remain so.”

Personally, I this this is absolutely scary :yikes: Sure hope the US isn't next.
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Re: English Law changing??

Postby Pakawala » September 16, 2008, 6:29 pm

Sorry guys, forgot to post my source...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,422661,00.html
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Re: English Law changing??

Postby Galee » September 16, 2008, 6:57 pm

I read that also Pakawala. One of many crazy decisions being made. Definitely a case of the lunatics running the asylum.
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Re: English Law changing??

Postby laphanphon » September 16, 2008, 7:57 pm

i guess they will want their own state to self rule soon, start bombing and terroizing till they get it :evil:
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Re: English Law changing??

Postby beer monkey » September 16, 2008, 8:13 pm

Well they want muslims to have more babies till eventually they can take control of Britain..


A HATE fanatic has boasted that Muslims will one day conquer Britain — by having more BABIES.

Speaking at a rally marking 9/11, Anjem Choudary bragged that a birth explosion would let followers of Islam take control of the country.

Undercover Sun investigators secretly recorded Choudary telling a young and impressionable audience that they would eventually rule under strict Sharia law.


And our team listened in chilled silence as he predicted: “Islam is superior and will never be surpassed. The flag of Islam will rise over Downing Street.”.....cont on link...


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... 683635.ece


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Re: English Law changing??

Postby JimboPSM » September 16, 2008, 8:20 pm

I have to admit I am not overly comfortable with developments in English Law such as this; however what has been reported is a bit of scaremongering.

What has been done is to create arbitration tribunals which are pretty much the same as the Jewish Beth Din Courts that have been practicing in the UK for about a hundred years.

The rulings of arbitration tribunals are only binding in law if both parties in the dispute agree to give it the power to rule on their case.

In my opinion the Fox News headline and report was an emotive cherry picked synopsis of the Times article – although to be fair to Fox they did have a link to the original Times article.
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Re: English Law changing??

Postby Eques » September 17, 2008, 7:52 am

What has been done is to create arbitration tribunals which are pretty much the same as the Jewish Beth Din Courts that have been practicing in the UK for about a hundred years.

The rulings of arbitration tribunals are only binding in law if both parties in the dispute agree to give it the power to rule on their case.

In my opinion the Fox News headline and report was an emotive cherry picked synopsis of the Times article – although to be fair to Fox they did have a link to the original Times article.

Well said, however most muslims will agree, as the alternative ( not known) would probably be ostracism
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Re: English Law changing??

Postby tamada » September 17, 2008, 5:30 pm

I was about to say, 'oh, it's Fox News' but they are quoting the Times of London.

Well, what a shocker eh? How come that slipped under the radar of the greater populace? I thought laws were promulgated by the people's representatives and approved by the law Lords only after public debate. Is there a greater conspiracy than a mere Labour party manipulation?

Anyway, Scottish Law is not affected, thank [insert deity of choice here].
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Re: English Law changing??

Postby westerby » September 18, 2008, 2:34 am

beer monkey wrote:Well they want muslims to have more babies till eventually they can take control of Britain.


So there's 2 million Muslims in UK (source The Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/08/population.islam).
A UK Christian population of 41 million (source National Statistics http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=954).
A UK population of 61 million (source National Statistics July 2007http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?ID=6).
That means that 3.27% of the UK population are Muslim while 67% are Christian.

Crikey, BM, those Muslims have got some work to do!

Hang on, you're not winding us up again are you? :-k
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Re: English Law changing??

Postby beer monkey » September 18, 2008, 3:28 am

No No it was in The Sun...!!!! (The UK's favourite Newspaper)
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Re: English Law changing??

Postby Khun Paul » September 19, 2008, 1:52 pm

Actually it was mentioned in
The mail.
The Telgraph and
The Times,
the problem is as always the headlines catch the eye, but in fact only if both parties agree can it be implemented.
Wer still have arranged marriages and killings where female marry non-muslims, so although the Sharia law certainly raised eyebrows in the UK , most educated Muslims of both sexes I feel would prefer english law as opposed to Sharia law, but as we all know the minority always has the loudest voice and the majority stay silent.
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Re: English Law changing??

Postby westerby » September 19, 2008, 3:35 pm

Khun Paul wrote:Wer still have arranged marriages and killings where female marry non-muslims, so although the Sharia law certainly raised eyebrows in the UK , most educated Muslims of both sexes I feel would prefer english law as opposed to Sharia law, but as we all know the minority always has the loudest voice and the majority stay silent.


Guns, I hear what you're saying. British law should be singular and secular or free of religion. You can't introduce separate laws for religious minorities because they'll exploit it fully to their own ends and it will enhance the divisions that already exist. It's time for a written constitution in the UK so that its inhabitants know the rules.
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Re: English Law changing??

Postby Khun Paul » September 19, 2008, 3:55 pm

British law should be singular and secular or free of religion

Oh I agree wholehaeartedly, but as in so many western countries, and in order to assimilate the immigrants into society, many have adopted an approach that some deference to their particular religious needs is a move that is now reaping repercusions.
Now saying that, the initial premise was good, but as it was not ratified by any act of parliament, anyway in the UK and the Race Relations Act ( which I believe covers the whole of the United Kingdom) was seen by many , as a slap in their face, and in fact did increase racial divisiness. You can see that now , even something which is used by a very small minority is now rebounding onto the national stage, which will further creat divisions and incite racial tensions, as if we did not have enough problems without all that rubbish.
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Re: English Law changing??

Postby BobHelm » September 19, 2008, 3:59 pm

As Jimbo pointed out this is only giving Muslims the same rights as already exist for Jews.
BBC Beth Din
For over 300 years:
About the London Beth Din
With no uproar in the popular press...I wonder why???? :( :(
According to statistics:
72% of UK are Christian (41 million)
2.8% are Muslim (1.5 million)
1% are Hindu (0.5 million)
0.6% are Sikh (0.3 million)
0.5% are Jewish (0.3 million)
0.3% are Budhist (0.15 million)
0.3% are some other Religion.
23% are non religious (or did not answer) (13 million)

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=954

So, this it is OK to make an exception for 300,000 people, but not for 1,500,000 ????
Again I wonder why????
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Re: English Law changing??

Postby westerby » September 19, 2008, 4:05 pm

BobHelm wrote:According to statistics:
72% of UK are Christian (41 million)
2.8% are Muslim (1.5 million)
1% are Hindu (0.5 million)
0.6% are Sikh (0.3 million)
0.5% are Jewish (0.3 million)
0.3% are Budhist (0.15 million)
0.3% are some other Religion.
23% are non religious (or did not answer) (13 million)

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=954


I was sat there trying to work out why your stats were different from mine when we had quoted similar sources. Then I noticed you'd gone on the 2001 stats while I had used the vaguer estimates in the Guardian and BBC, etc.

There shouldn't be exceptions for any minority; Jewish or Muslim.
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