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Euro 2012 qualifiers

Postby BobHelm » August 29, 2010, 1:21 pm

England start on their trek towards the 2012 early next month - Friday 3rd. for the first game against Bulgaria & Tuesday 7th. for the Swiss, so i thought I would start a new thread for it.
It appears that Chelsea have agready withdrawn from the competition... :D :D
Frank Lampard and John Terry out of Euro 2012 matches

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/8952514.stm
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Re: Euro 2012 qualifiers

Postby SanukJoe » August 29, 2010, 1:28 pm

Chelsea have agready withdrawn from the competition

Malouda will play............

for France :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Euro 2012 qualifiers

Postby Zidane » August 29, 2010, 3:17 pm

England a bit short of central defenders with Terry out.....also missing are Ferdinand, and Carragher and Brown,who have retired from international football.
Possibly two out of Dawson,Jagielka and King.....surely he cant bring Upson back !
I wonder if he will give Jack Wilshere a game in midfield and play Gerrard just behind Rooney.....probably not.
Although Scholes is playing well I dont think he should come back as he's 35 and retiring at the end of the season....give youth a chance.
I can see Bulgaria grabbing a draw and the Swiss turning us over,to be honest.
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Re: Euro 2012 qualifiers

Postby Galee » August 29, 2010, 3:30 pm

Zidane wrote:I can see Bulgaria grabbing a draw and the Swiss turning us over,to be honest.


I'd accept that if it meant the Italian idiot got the sack.
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Re: Euro 2012 qualifiers

Postby BobHelm » August 29, 2010, 3:41 pm

I received this e-mail this morning from a friend of mine - who appreciates the England managers' efforts as much as you do Galee. :D
Do not necessarily agree 100%, but some good points I think..
I also feel that England might struggle for a positive result in both games. :(
England, Capello, & the European Cup 2010-11



So we all know now, exactly where Capello now stands in his thinking and proposals for his future management of the England team! We know because he has spoken most clearly, precisely and assertively on these matters; and his record to date demonstrates better than any words, the confidence we can all feel that Capello will stand by all that he has said.

To reassure you doubters let me remind you of the pillars upon which Capello has vowed to rebuild the future of the England team – and possibly achieve even greater success in this coming European Cup than he did during his two years rebuilding the team, and being the architect of its remarkable performances in the recently completed World Cup.

Capello’s oft stated Pillars of Management for the road ahead.

1. He has bravely and resolutely DEFINITELY, (?????), permanently, (?????), dismissed Beckham from his future plans for the England Team – because he is too old. (No mention that he is no longer good enough).

2. Ditto that he is sure the future of England lies with the emerging new generation of younger players who he intends to give every chance in preference to the older, (perennially failing golden generation?), players. Capello has already shown the power of his convictions in that he has made a second personal, but unsuccessful, attempt to convince young Paul Scholes to return to the international stage. Also his avowed faith in the potential of England’s young players is amply demonstrated by his exploring the legalities of being able to select SPAINARD Arteta, who, incidentally, has already represented Spain at under 21 level!

3. Under no circumstances will he pick ANY PLAYER who is not playing regularly and full time in top class football; is out of form; unfit; demonstrates a lack of discipline in either his professional or personal life or acts in a manner likely to bring disrepute to or cause disharmony within the squad. Capello was extremely adamant from day one of his appointment that he would be intractable in these regards and that there would be no exceptions. You have only to look at his record over the past two years, and the way he applied his said principals in dealing with his players, (for example Terry, Beckham, Rooney Heskey & Crouch in the areas of fitness, form and behaviour), to realize the extent of his strength of character and the degree to which he means what he says!

4. That he has learned a great deal about international management over the past couple of years and will be, therefore, varying his approach as regards selection and playing styles. Presumably,( and hopefully), he has discovered there are a whole variety of formations & styles which can be used by teams other than a 4-4-2 formation and the Serie A defensively/negatively minded footballing style.

5. OPTIMISTCALLY placing our faith in Capello’s assurances and promise, and that his word is his bond, we can all look forward with supreme confidence to the dawn of a new & successful era for the ‘new look (????) England team, coupled with startling success in the upcoming European Cup.

6. England v Bulgaria & v Switzerland do not be in the least bit surprised should Capello play a 3-5-2 formation with the following starting team and bench: (Yes! I am dreaming!).

Starting Team. Hart; Glen Johnson, Gary Cahill, Ashley Cole;

Walcott, Gareth Barry, Gerrard, Milner, Johnson;

DeFoe & Zamorra.

Bench: Green, Micah Richards, Dawson, Warnock, Scott Parker, Wilshere, Rooney, Andy Carroll.

Note: Selection suggestions made BEFORE Terry & Lampard withdrawals announced!!


The starting strikers already look in doubt though..
"Bobby went really stiff at half-time, he thought it was just a bang on the muscle and went out again. But he could not shake it off. I think he must be a doubt [for England] unfortunately," stated Hughes.

he fitness of fellow Spurs striker Jermain Defoe is also questionable.
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Re: Euro 2012 qualifiers

Postby DermotC » August 29, 2010, 6:52 pm

Guys,

Surely you cant forget the way in which England qualified for the Cup.......? One of the most resounding qualifications Ive ever seen!

The performance in the World cup however was abysmal and Im beng nice here! But does the problem lie with the manager or the players? My opinion its with the players. Look at their individual performances.....let me take rooney for example.....he wouldnt have gotten on a schoolboy team with his performance!

They are a bunch of overpaid premadonnas giving every excuse under the sun, the playing season too long in England, not giving the team selection until 2 hours before the game etc etc etc. As a player you do what your told by the manager, period! You dont call him into question and make him a national embarrasment as John Terry did, obviously annoyed with loosing his Captains position over his disgusting behaviour towards a fellow team mate.

Sure Capello has made some Gaffs, but the players are the ones who should hold their heads in Shame, not the manager. A bunch of namby Pambies who deserve a good kick in the rollicks!

Im not English so maybe my view is more objective than if I was..... The players showed no spirit, no gile and were quick to blame everybody but themselves.

As the poster befoer mentioned I fancy the swiss to beat england and maybe a draw with Bulgaria. I do however fancy England to qualify in second place, barely.

Lets face it, you could put out a 2nd team and they would do better than in RSA!
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Re: Euro 2012 qualifiers

Postby BobHelm » August 29, 2010, 7:13 pm

DermotC wrote:Surely you cant forget the way in which England qualified for the Cup.......? One of the most resounding qualifications Ive ever seen!


I think that is what upset most England supporters Dermot....the absolute difference between qualification & the pathetic display when actually in SA. :(
To be honest the signs were there in the 'friendlies' just before going - they were dire in them as well. I am still not sure who is to blame, but I think you are correct, both manager & players should take some responsibility.
Some of the team choices were certainly NOT to my liking & I think other players who had had a good Premiership season were left out for 'names' who had performed poorly. Rooney was certainly not at his best (& has not looked much better since he has come back either) & I think the manager should have stopped playing him, but the prospect of Heskey & Crouch up front does not exactly fill me with confidence of a world conquering side either!! :D :D
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Re: Euro 2012 qualifiers

Postby DermotC » August 29, 2010, 7:33 pm

Indeed Bob, the inclusion of Heskey was a question for me but saying that he actually did ok compared to the rest of them. I was in total shock as it was the worst world cup performance by an England team Ive ever seen. I was supporting them as Ireland didnt qualify and was bitterly dissapointed to the point of disgust.

The only other team that i was really more annoyed with was France. They cheated their way into the World Cup and then wouldnt even play!

Now did you see what Platini is saying about the England 2018 bid? Hes already hinted that they are not going to get it because the English FA dont have a president/chairman whatever. 1966 since last time you had it, anothr disgrace! Just proves what I said on another post about platini and blatter.

I believe there needs to be a coup detat in fifa. They are destroying the game!
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Re: Euro 2012 qualifiers

Postby BobHelm » August 30, 2010, 11:50 am

England squad for Euro 2012 qualifiers v Bulgaria (3 September) and Switzerland (7 September):


Goalkeepers: Scott Carson (West Brom), Ben Foster (Birmingham), Joe Hart (Manchester City).


Defenders: Gary Cahill (Bolton), Ashley Cole (Chelsea), Michael Dawson (Tottenham), Kieran Gibbs (Arsenal), Phil Jagielka (Everton), Glen Johnson (Liverpool), Joleon Lescott (Manchester City), Matthew Upson (West Ham)


Midfielders: Gareth Barry (Manchester City), Michael Carrick (Manchester United), Steven Gerrard (Liverpool), Adam Johnson (Manchester City), James Milner (Manchester City), Theo Walcott (Arsenal), Shaun Wright-Phillips (Manchester City), Ashley Young (Aston Villa)


Forwards: Darren Bent (Sunderland), Carlton Cole (West Ham), Peter Crouch (Tottenham), Jermain Defoe (Tottenham), Wayne Rooney (Manchester United).
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Re: Euro 2012 qualifiers

Postby Prenders88 » August 30, 2010, 12:01 pm

England have no chance with that bunch of donkeys. [-o<
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Re: Euro 2012 qualifiers

Postby DGPW » August 30, 2010, 1:26 pm

Well Bob, don't you just love all those young and exciting newcomers Capello has picked?
Since they are not in the squad presumably, like Terry & Lamparrd, Heskey & Beckham are also injured? Must be very frustrating for Capello, thus being prevented from proceeding with his plans for a 'new' England.
Looking also as if one of his preferred two world class strikers, ( I refer to Crouch of course recently training hard day AND night ), is also not going to be available. Still, not to worry, he will still have the mind boggling goal scoring potential of the Headless Chicken scurrying down the right and the (15 games and still waiting) menace of Rooney, ready to pour terror into the hearts of the opposing defence.
Should England do the unthinkable and score, then I know that Zidane at least will take comfort knowing Upson and, probably, Lescott (both of whom have recenly provided proof of the dizzy heights of defending expertise of which they are capable) will be standing on guard ready to defend to the death such lead.
Three consoling thoughts for you long suffering England supporters:
1).Doubtless Terry, Lampard, Heskey, Crouch & Beckham will all be fit (Beckham figuratively speaking) for the next round of matches, (thus enabling Capello to discard emergency selections he has been forced to make, such as Cahill, Dawson, Jagielka, Ashley Young and 27 goal Bent,) so Capello will be able to bring back into his squad, all these 'new era players - and so proceed forward with his vision of the new and exciting England!!!
2).Beckham WILL be back of course. With the power of the Beckham Commercial Machine, incorporating several of the most powerful of international sports companies in the world; Beckham's total addiction to his celebrity status and all its perks and benefits; the frightening amount of money the tag 'current' England International adds to his market value , all coupled with the English FA's well recorded financial reliance on Beckham's same sponsors ,ensure Beckham's continuing presence, no matter at what cost to England's on field performances, and no matter theincreasingly embarassing press statements and the actions of Capello (the well paid figurehead manager).
3. Don't be surprised if the next "English" manager you are being promised is - yes, how clever of you to guess - BECKHAM!
Finally, in anticipation of the predictable squad Capello would select, I have already found an idiot who has given me odds of 3-1 in accepting my Bt.5000 bet that England will not even qualify for, let alone win, the European Cup Finals.
And Dermot:
Please consider the poor calibre of the teams England played in the World Cup qualifiers(none of them ranked under 25 except Croatia). I am sure your country would have jumped at the chance of changing groups with England and have thereby qualified for the finals just as impressively.
As to the extent of Capello's culpability for England's showing, or that of any football coach for the performances of his
team I will forward to you through Bob Helm my reasoned views, previouly expressed through other media, should you be interested? Cheers.
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Re: Euro 2012 qualifiers

Postby Zidane » August 30, 2010, 9:22 pm

DGPW wrote:
Since they are not in the squad presumably, like Terry & Lamparrd, Heskey & Beckham are also injured?


Sadly poor Heskey has now retired from international football so England will no longer be able to rely on his prolific goalscoring.....7 goals in 73 matches wasnt it ?.......not bad for a centre forward ! :oops:
Upson back....he's aged 31 and never been international class......same for Lescott who is well down the pecking order at City.
If he wanted to recall someone,why not Richards ? He could cover at both full back and centre back and is still young.
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Re: Euro 2012 qualifiers

Postby DermotC » August 30, 2010, 10:15 pm

I agree the squad of players is dissapointing, what will their excuse be this time, not enough match fitness because too close to start of season maybe?

Cant really disagree with DGPW and found the comments about beckham being the new england manager very funny but you know maybe it could be true, chuckle chuckle!

Another point, I think international Managers are a different breed to club managers i.e. just becasue someone is highly successful at club management does in no way mean he will be at international level! Hes is not with the players week in and week out so how could he be?

On a personal note I long for the days of Jack Charlton managing Ireland, oh those schoolboy days when Ireland were ranked 14 in the world and we beat England in the Euros 1 nil from a ray houghton header! Having said that I support England when Ireland arent in anything, which is usually the case these days!
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Re: Euro 2012 qualifiers

Postby Zidane » August 31, 2010, 9:06 am

Dermot,
What do you think the Republic of Irelands chances are of qualifying ?
Group B not too bad.....Russia,Slovakia,Republic of Ireland,Macedonia,Armenia,Andorra.

With two to qualify you must stand a reasonable chance....probably two out of yourselves,Russia and Slovakia.

Similar to Englands group really.....youd think two out of Switzerland,England and Bulgaria.
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Re: Euro 2012 qualifiers

Postby lepidoptra » August 31, 2010, 10:47 am

I would like to see Ireland do well in this competition. They were robbed of a place in the world cup.
As far as England is concerned they have about as much chance of winning the cup as the pound reaching 70 baht to the GBP.
Scrap the whole present team,bring in new blood and we may have a chance of qualifying for the next world cup.
Let's try an English manager he couldn't do worse than the present one :oops:
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