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Re: Evolution or Adam and Eve?

Postby laphanphon » May 23, 2009, 1:31 pm

i am not one for Blind Faith

what are you nuts, EC, Stevie Winwood, Ric Grech, Ginger Baker, got 2 great songs from them, 'can't find my way home', and 'presence of the lord'.................doesn't get any better.


on topic of course with the evolution, of some of the best music ever recorded from all of the members. just proving these things don't just happen..................divine intervention.
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Re: Evolution or Adam and Eve?

Postby old-timer » May 23, 2009, 3:51 pm

Evolution or Adam and Eve or if your from San Fransisco - Adam and Steve
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Re: Evolution or Adam and Eve?

Postby Laan Yaa Mo » May 23, 2009, 10:19 pm

Well, here in Toronto we also get Mary and Helen enjoying wedded bliss.
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Re: Evolution or Adam and Eve?

Postby Michael C » June 17, 2009, 10:33 am

Transitions, transitions and more transitions

Evolution Education & Outreach. 2(2) June 2009 has dedicated this issue to transitional fossils (transitional fossils are something fundamentalist creationists have claimed do not exist and have not been found).

http://www.springerlink.com/content/x1r ... 9e527&pi=0

The publisher, Springer, is not known for open access, so this is a great opportunity to access some good and interesting scientific literature for free.
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Re: Evolution or Adam and Eve?

Postby Khun Paul » June 21, 2009, 8:05 am

Evolution, Adam and Eve, and whatever you believe, there are many many themes , reasons and beliefs that need to be examined, the odd paintings on Aztec ruins, cave paintings that show complete irregularites of the perceptions of pre-historic man, before anything was committed to paper, the fact that is has been claimed we are all related to one of 7 women possibly originating in the african sub continent. believe whatever you believe, we as humans need to believe in something as our life spoan is short compared to many on this planet and we must believe something.
But it is our need to know, it is like the quest for the Holy Grail, spoken about in Arthurian legends and the like,that leads us down certain paths.
We are complicated scientifically, we are a very complex organism, with untold potential, no-one to my knowledge has managed to capture our life force or even to explain how it came to be. Stephen Hhawkings did a wonderfull treatise on space and black holes, but that is just the tip of a very big iceberg, and like an ice berg, much is kept dark and is unfathomable.
What i believe, is that there is/was something, what I know not, but there is something, it is like the wind, why does it blow , why do some people die young and some do not, it is called the miracle of life, embrace it, as on this level we will not enjoy it for long ( by evolutionary standards ), also acceptance of something is far better than acceptance of nothing.
I sound like a boring old tart, I'll stop now, again just a few thoughts.
be happy people.
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Re: Evolution or Adam and Eve?

Postby saint » June 21, 2009, 3:27 pm

i believe in the misubishi evolution , all 8 versions of it . great set of wheels if you wanna get your adrenoline pumping . :D :D :D :D did i mention i was bored !!!!!!!
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Re: Evolution or Adam and Eve?

Postby old-timer » June 24, 2009, 12:36 am

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Re: Evolution or Adam and Eve?

Postby Michael C » July 1, 2009, 10:35 am

Khun Paul wrote:Evolution, Adam and Eve, and whatever you believe, there are many many themes , reasons and beliefs that need to be examined, the odd paintings on Aztec ruins, cave paintings that show complete irregularites of the perceptions of pre-historic man, before anything was committed to paper, the fact that is has been claimed we are all related to one of 7 women possibly originating in the african sub continent. believe whatever you believe, we as humans need to believe in something as our life spoan is short compared to many on this planet and we must believe something.

We must not 'believe' in anything that is not supportable. What exactly is the source behind the statement that 'cave paintings show complete irregularities of the perceptions of pre-historic man, before anything was committed to paper'? I would love to see the source behind these '7 women' that we are all related to. ;)
Khun Paul wrote:But it is our need to know, it is like the quest for the Holy Grail, spoken about in Arthurian legends and the like,that leads us down certain paths.

It is our need to know that is behind the creation of myths, like those you referred to concerning Arthurian legends, also biblical myths of creation. It is always much easier to make something up rather than investigate the real reason for something we want to know. A deity makes it easy: Why are birds? Oh, god made them. (See, much easier than going through all the complicated physics, geology, biology, paleontology then have them all work together and give you a proper answer!) A large number of people in America are actually fighting against our natural tendency of needing to know, by waging a war against science, because it is not compatible with the myths of those that practice literal fundamentalism.
Khun Paul wrote:We are complicated scientifically, we are a very complex organism, with untold potential, no-one to my knowledge has managed to capture our life force or even to explain how it came to be.

See the news story about abiogenesis. In the second story, dated in January, the self replicating RNA molecule synthesised in the laboratory was capturing 'life force', the explanation can be found in the study of biochemistry. It is biochemical reactions that are behind 'life' and what you refer to as 'life force', not to be confused with 'The Force' from Star Wars ;).
Khun Paul wrote:Stephen Hhawkings did a wonderfull treatise on space and black holes, but that is just the tip of a very big iceberg, and like an ice berg, much is kept dark and is unfathomable.

Kept dark and unfathomable? A tremendous amount was learned about this over the past century and continues to come to light. Admittedly, there is much more to learn about quantum mechanics and those who claim to know (everything about) quantum mechanics, do not know about quantum mechanics.
Khun Paul wrote:What i believe, is that there is/was something, what I know not, but there is something, it is like the wind, why does it blow , why do some people die young and some do not, it is called the miracle of life, embrace it, as on this level we will not enjoy it for long ( by evolutionary standards ), also acceptance of something is far better than acceptance of nothing.

Concerning 'belief' there is/was 'something', therein is the problem with myths that have no basis in facts or evidence of any kind. They are harmful to mankind and countless numbers of people have been persecuted, died and continue to die all because the advancement of their favourite 'belief' there is/was 'something' myth.

Old-timer, very funny video. Points out rather well how ludicrous the book of genesis is when presented in modern times when we know better.

Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences has issued a supplement, consisting of 19 papers, in celebration of the 200th year since Darwin’s birth and the 150th year since the publishing of the Origin of Species. Like Springer Verlag, the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences usually are publications you have to pay for. There are numerous articles with facts concerning evolution. We might as well read that since we still do not have a single fact supporting the biblical myths of any kind of creation.
For your reading enjoyment: http://www.pnas.org/content/106/suppl.1.toc

We are in the 21st Century and it is amazing that people continue to propagate myths with no evidence in direct contradiction to facts that we know to be true. To close, I will add my favourite creationist quote of the year (so far), from Don McLeroy, former Chairman of the Texas State Board of Education, who recently failed to gain re-nomination shortly after he had a panel review the science standards (only half the panel were scientists):

“Someone needs to stand up to the experts!”
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