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Ex pat pensioners return home

Postby arjay » December 8, 2010, 12:49 pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/pers ... -home.html
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Weak sterling forces expat pensioners home
Many UK pensioners are being forced to abandon their dream of retiring abroad because of the weakness of sterling, research has indicated.

By AP/Sean O'Hare 3:21PM GMT 07 Dec 2010

Specialist currency broker currencies.co.uk said it had seen a 28 per cent jump in the number of retired expats who were selling up and returning to the UK during the past 12 months.

The group blamed the situation on a combination of the weakness of sterling, in which most retired expats still receive their pension, and rising inflation.

A spokesman said during the past five years the value of sterling had fluctuated by up to 67 per cent against the currencies in popular retirement destinations, having a dramatic impact on the amount of money people had to live off each month.

For people who have retired in eurozone countries, such as France and Spain, exchange rates on a typical monthly transfer of £1,175 have varied by 49 per cent during the past five years, varying from a high of 1,793 euros to a low of just 589 euros.

Pensioners Paul and Cherie Ripley have been trying to sell up and return to the UK from Alicante for the last 18 months, having watched the value of their house fall by 50 per cent in the last six years.

Mr Ripley said: "A combination of the exchange rate and the economic crisis has meant that we have lost a hell of a lot of money. The catch is we can't really afford to stay and we can't afford to buy back home. The worry on top is that Spanish death duties are extremely fierce and we, like a lot of people out here, didn't really investigate these extra costs when moving out here. Retirement in the sun was a big draw at the time."

Pensioners in the US have seen a 53 per cent swing in the number of dollars they get for the same amount, while those in Australia have been the hardest hit, seeing the number of Australian dollars £1,175 buys vary by 67 per cent, ranging from 3,112 Australian dollars to just 1,247 Australian dollars.

To make matters worse, around half of people who retire abroad do not have a state pension that increases each year in line with inflation.

Pensioners who retire to countries such as Australia, New Zealand and South Africa, which do not have a reciprocal social security arrangement with the UK, have the value of their state pension frozen at the date on which they left the UK.

But even those who do have an index-linked state pension may still see it eroded in value over time going forward.

The Government recently announced that the state pension would rise each year in line with inflation, average earnings or 2.5 per cent, whichever is greater. But it is changing the measure of inflation that is used from the Retail Prices Index to the Consumer Prices Index, which tends to be lower.

Visit http://www.telegraph.co.uk/frozenpensions for more articles on the plight of British pensioners abroad.


A related article:

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/mortgages- ... age_id=505
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Re: Ex pat pensioners return home

Postby hangsaboot » December 8, 2010, 9:19 pm

if the rapid depreciation of western currencies over the last three years continues ,
and the thai bht continues to grow, then take it to conclusion .
if the £ drops to 40 bht , i think that will sort the men out from the boys .
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Re: Ex pat pensioners return home

Postby FrazeeDK » December 8, 2010, 9:36 pm

in the singing verse of the esteemed kid's TV show on WBZ in Boston, MA., Bob Emery, "bye-bye small fry, it's time to say good-bye!!"
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Re: Ex pat pensioners return home

Postby stattointhailand » December 8, 2010, 9:41 pm

I'm not sure that many expats can AFFORD to return to England. I know my pension wouldn't even cover the cost of renting a one bed hovel in the UK now, let alone food and drink as well.
Even allowing for the fact that you could probably claim some sort of unemployment benefit, I doubt that would make very much difference.
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Re: Ex pat pensioners return home

Postby mortiboy » December 8, 2010, 11:47 pm

Now I am in dire strates my pension is almost spent on on bills alone. now those penny pinching b.....ds docked me £40 quid and wont tell me why!
But I die first go back asylum seeker lovers UK government system
I hate UK government they let me down cheats!
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Re: Ex pat pensioners return home

Postby sissor-mouth » December 9, 2010, 1:37 am

I feel sorry for the Expats who move to Thailand to live and settle with their Thai family sell their home and assets in the process only then in a few sudden years begin to feel the financial pinch.To make matters more grim
I know in so many cases the Thai wife is not going to leave the land of smiles to go back to the farangs country of origin . Lets hope the baht weekends eh fellow udonites [-o<
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Re: Ex pat pensioners return home

Postby Khun Paul » December 9, 2010, 7:25 am

The strength of the Baht coupled with the cuts in the welfare budget or should I say the checking and cutting of welfare to those who no longer need it, has also had an impact, I know of one person who was on disability but has returned as it has been stopped.
The benefit system is undergoing a severe going over and will affect many I am sure, and even more so if they have spent all their money and sold their accomodation, life would be hard even in the UK now.
Those who have made provision should be able to manage, but those who just live on their monthly pension if it is stae, will I think have problems,they will be able to live but their quality of life will deteriorate, but then here they will not have to deal with the cold and damp, which when you are older is a blessing in itself.
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Re: Ex pat pensioners return home

Postby BillaRickaDickay » December 9, 2010, 7:44 am

Not to worry, Government have said that the basic pension for a single person will soon be upped to £140 a week regardless of whether you have maintained your national insurance contributions. Thats nearly a 1000bht a day, thats Uriah Heep!
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Re: Ex pat pensioners return home

Postby trubrit » December 9, 2010, 8:00 am

mortiboy wrote:Now I am in dire strates my pension is almost spent on on bills alone. now those penny pinching b.....ds docked me £40 quid and wont tell me why!
But I die first go back asylum seeker lovers UK government system
I hate UK government they let me down cheats!


Mortiboy . You may not get an answer why your pension has been reduced but this link to Help the Aged will enable you to check whether you are getting your full entitlement.http://www.ageuk.org.uk/Documents/EN-GB ... ?dtrk=true
Its in comparatively simple language unlike some of the government blurb.
I presume you mean 40 quid a month? Surely 62 bht a day won't put you in dire straits?
Not in answer to you but I think maybe appropiate here to UK citizens .Most of us living here are aware of the government residency requirements to get various social services including annual cost of living increases. Some choose , by various means, not to comply .I make no judgement on that, just simply warn that not only any dealing with the Embassy, letters , visa for spouse requests etc , can reveal your actual residency, but there is also a mole , active on both forums, that, whether employed to do , or simply gets a kick out of doing, keeps them informed. So everyone should be careful how much personal info they reveal on here . :-"
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Re: Ex pat pensioners return home

Postby Flashman » December 9, 2010, 8:21 am

Who is this Mole? 8-[
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Re: Ex pat pensioners return home

Postby lepidoptra » December 9, 2010, 8:35 am

BillaRickaDickay wrote:Not to worry, Government have said that the basic pension for a single person will soon be upped to £140 a week regardless of whether you have maintained your national insurance contributions. Thats nearly a 1000bht a day, thats Uriah Heep!


I think you will find that the 140 pound only applies to new applicants when it is introduced. People already on state pension will not receive it. :cry:
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Re: Ex pat pensioners return home

Postby BillaRickaDickay » December 9, 2010, 5:21 pm

lepidoptra wrote:I think you will find that the 140 pound only applies to new applicants when it is introduced. People already on state pension will not receive it. :cry:

You may well be correct, but I was under the impression that the main reason for this change was to cut back on the administration involved in paying the present State Pension, although it is currently about £98 per month if you have made your 39 years NI contributions, the majority of pensioners recieve about £40 through various benefits in adition to the Pension. The Government has suggested that they wish to abolish these benefits and pay this fixed State Pension rate of £140.

However, those pensioners already living abroad may well be stuck on their present Pension as they are not entitled to any increase or benefits. It would appear that an Anglo Saxon Englishman who has worked all his life and paid his NI contributions has less rights to a Pension than (for example) a Somali refugee who has attained British Citizenship, has lived in the country just a few years and made no contributions
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Re: Ex pat pensioners return home

Postby mortiboy » December 9, 2010, 6:06 pm

You hit the nail on the head mate !
So unfair! I worked all my life, never out of work.paid in my dues all my life!
If I was in UK, I could claim all sorts of benefits. So as I dont live there, they should give ME extra for not claiming.
Now I get no NH free. Disgusting I hate UK Government! All they want do is take care sponging low class foreigners
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Re: Ex pat pensioners return home

Postby BillaRickaDickay » December 9, 2010, 7:27 pm

My previous post should of course have read £98 per week and not £98 per month, and your are right Mortiboy we are foreigners in our own country, another 10 - 20years and we will be Governed by foreigners, I was raised in Forest Gate east end of London, not a white face to be seen now, I dont know where the government get their figures from about immigration, I work in a small market town in Essex as a Cab driver, I reckon 1 in 3 of the passengers I pick up are foreign, the cab companies are employing more and more Kosovans, Polish etc, every Shop, Petrol Station is run by a Pakistani/Bangledeshi/Indian, this is a small town, God knows what it's like in towns and cities like Leeds, Bradford, Manchester, Liverpool etc
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Re: Ex pat pensioners return home

Postby mortiboy » December 9, 2010, 8:33 pm

BillaRickaDickay wrote:My previous post should of course have read £98 per week and not £98 per month, and your are right Mortiboy we are foreigners in our own country, another 10 - 20years and we will be Governed by foreigners, I was raised in Forest Gate east end of London, not a white face to be seen now, I dont know where the government get their figures from about immigration, I work in a small market town in Essex as a Cab driver, I reckon 1 in 3 of the passengers I pick up are foreign, the cab companies are employing more and more Kosovans, Polish etc, every Shop, Petrol Station is run by a Pakistani/Bangledeshi/Indian, this is a small town, God knows what it's like in towns and cities like Leeds, Bradford, Manchester, Liverpool etc

My god! That's scary
But thats soft touch Britain for you ,,,laugh and stock of the world! I am so ashamed to be British :oops:
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