Execution or Life Imprisonment

quite so

banpaeng wrote:Don't want to be argumentive, however you do sound like you have an axe to grind as teh emotion in your writing is pervasive.

I guess moderation isn't your strong point, as I found the comments in the following thread more jaundiced and axe grindingly negative.

Finding a balanced approach is difficult at the best of times, wouldn't you agree.

http://www.udonmap.com/udonthaniforum/viewtopic.php?t=2839&highlight=

I am having trouble understanding the wording of this poll.

If I vote yes am I agreeing with the death penalty being imposed or life imprisonment being imposed? Vice versa if I vote no.


John

Some time ago, when on a visit to UK, King Fahad of Saudi Arabia was asked why Saudi continued with the death penalty when it was clear that it was definitely not a deterrent. He replied that it definitely prevented repeat offenders.

Check out the number of repeat offenders in UK and USA prisons.

Astana wrote:

banpaeng wrote:Don't want to be argumentive, however you do sound like you have an axe to grind as teh emotion in your writing is pervasive.

I guess moderation isn't your strong point, as I found the comments in the following thread more jaundiced and axe grindingly negative.

Finding a balanced approach is difficult at the best of times, wouldn't you agree.

http://www.udonmap.com/udonthaniforum/viewtopic.php?t=2839&highlight=

You know you are right on the moderation, however I am not able to judge a man if I have not been there. I am guessing you must have been there at the trial and heard all that was said or done. If so you have your opinion.

If we could correct all the wrongs that the press put out there for us to see, we would be great people. Sorry I am not great, only human.

[quote="rickfarang"]Generally, I dispise the death penalty being imposed by a court...quote]

I have to agree with rickfarang. I suppose I have to go a bit further and say that I have moral and spiritual qualms about the death penalty. I certainly could never, and would never, serve on a jury on a death penalty case (of course, that would be the question that eliminated me from jury eligibility).

I've talked long and hard about this with my Dad, who is a lay deacon. His position (and he admits he has struggled with it) is that no human has the right to take the life of another as long as there is a chance of redemption. That is a very religious position, and not in line with many of the rest of his denomination's positions.

However, I do think there are some who could be so incorrible that they should be placed in exile on an island (or someday on another planet) with no hope of escape.

I to agree Shara. To take one case and read only news reports and opinions is not a way to say one is for or against the death penalty. I don't know if I would sit on a jury for a death penalty or not. When they ask me if I could give it, my reply will be along the lines of I can not give the death penalty unless I feel like I could give the injection, throw the switch, etc. Beings as how I believe we should respect all for being human, it would take a dastardly deed of some sort for me to want to or care to do it. My only concern is I would have to make sure I am not doing it for revenge. IMHO that is wrong. The person would have to be a detriment to society.

That is my opinion only.

banpaeng wrote:I to agree Shara. To take one case and read only news reports and opinions is not a way to say one is for or against the death penalty. I don't know if I would sit on a jury for a death penalty or not. When they ask me if I could give it, my reply will be along the lines of I can not give the death penalty unless I feel like I could give the injection, throw the switch, etc. Beings as how I believe we should respect all for being human, it would take a dastardly deed of some sort for me to want to or care to do it. My only concern is I would have to make sure I am not doing it for revenge. IMHO that is wrong. The person would have to be a detriment to society.

That is my opinion only.

Apology accepted but none necessary.

Yes, I was there at the trial but had to wait for the court transcript (translation into English, judges comments 24 hours, whole transcript 72 hours) to be sure of the circumstances and evidence presented.

I would like to know though, "what dastardly deed of some sort...", would sway your opinion to execute a person. PM me, if feel it is not for public consumption.

I don't know the answer to that one. As stated, once I had heard all the evidence, I would have to answer tthree question to myself.

1. Would I kill this person our of revenge?

2. Is this person a threat to civilization? Yes I have to think this person will be out on the streets one day due to parole or such.

3. The main question. Could I carry out this excution myself?

Like I said, if I could answer these three question with 1. being no and 2 and 3 with yes, then I could do it.

I guess that is why I ask my first question about the axe to grind. The question is quite frankely slanted. Think a few others thought so to. As anyone that says anything to the contrary, you seem to be overboard on setting them straight.

YOu have your opinion and I respect that. I can tell you feel real strong about it and that is a good thing to be. On something like this you have to leave it alone somewhere or it can consume you.

An old man told me once, "Worry about the things you can change and leave the rest alone or you will die of ulcers." So far I do not have ulcers.

Interesting reply...

I believe this to be an interesting topic and hence started the thread, I still believe it to be and one that will unfortunately rear it's head again and again in the months and years to come, perhaps my writing style is not to your liking but that is the least of our problems metaphorically speaking.

Fear not that I will consumed by ulcers or other worrisome aberrations, you'll be glad to know I hope, that I'm a way to relaxed individual for that to happen.

You were quite right to assume that some of my posts were slanted and as stated it is clearly a subject that is difficult to balance and you can read that yourself in your own comments, that is what makes the thread interesting because it creates dilemma and hopefully pause for reflection, and if that is the case it has served it's purpose.

Damn are you saying we did something good. Will be a first for Moderators as we are the ones causing all the problems in the world.

banpaeng wrote:Damn are you saying we did something good. Will be a first for Moderators as we are the ones causing all the problems in the world.

No, I'm not saying you/we did something good (after all you are a moderator ), nice try but no banana.

Moderators alas bring their own bias or point of view, or modus operandi particular to any forum or debate; just like the posters being moderated, it would be very hard for both groups not to do so unless modus vivendi was not in operation although some may not see it this way.

Clearly writing in a dispassionate way about such a n emotive subject would be a redundant exercise.

Not sure what all that means but you said it. Don't see where you have been moderated. I stated my opinion. As long as you don't attack someone or be vulgar, basically go for it. One thing I do not understand is why everyone thinks if you are a moderator you have no opinion. If someone else would like the job send Lee a PM and ask him to drop me. If you take that salary away, I will miss it sorely but will survive. Lets see now:

Using the Jethro style of accounting (hope some know what I am refering to) naught times naught is double naught.

banpaeng wrote:If someone else would like the job send Lee a PM and ask him to drop me. If you take that salary away, I will miss it sorely but will survive. Lets see now:

Using the Jethro style of accounting (hope some know what I am refering to) naught times naught is double naught.

Now I'm feeling guilty for letting you buy me a hamburger and soda the other day...

Hey I'll let you buy next time. Will make me feel better anyway.