Fraud

Following on from the teaching discussion I would like to ask the following.
If someone obtained a work permit by fraudulently claiming qualifications they didn,t have, what would be the consequences? Presumably the work permit would be invalid but what about the entry visa. Withdrawn or not? does any one know? As Doc says, many people are here teaching without the correct qualifications. What about all those ads you see in Pattaya for a TEFL cert in 3 days.?Possible or not?

valentine wrote:Following on from the teaching discussion I would like to ask the following.
If someone obtained a work permit by fraudulently claiming qualifications they didn,t have, what would be the consequences? Presumably the work permit would be invalid but what about the entry visa. Withdrawn or not? does any one know? As Doc says, many people are here teaching without the correct qualifications. What about all those ads you see in Pattaya for a TEFL cert in 3 days.?Possible or not?

Thai law being what it is, is a hybrid of British and French law from the early part of the last century and which over recent years is being updated by Thai policy makers, so what you'd call it today is probably quadruple hybrid bypass type thingy law.

Not convinced

Coming to the questions and here is the funny part, fraudulently obtaining a work permit by claiming qualifications the individual did not have (for teaching purposes, it may well be different for other non-teaching jobs) can result in the work permit being withdrawn immediately (non-government schools in the main but not exclusive too), thus canceling the visa and therefore the incumbent having to exit the country and possibly becoming person nongratia, equally you do not need to have 'any' qualifications to work for a government school although I'm sure they'd like you to have at least your camp fire songs badge. Mind you this was meant to be remedied with the introduction of the teaching license, wherein the supposedly the license came first after the school accredited it with the MOE and your contract of employment secured the WP

Many will say that because your qualifications are not proven you would be open to criminal action but this is not true as it is a minor civil offence, now things become blurry because the French part of the law takes over and the waters become muddy and of course the police will indicate that it is a criminal offence but it is not, but that might not stop you from having to pay.

Can you get a TEFL qualification in three days, YES, is it worth anything, NO, a recognised Cambridge type certificate is 120 hours of instruction with actual assessed teaching modules in class with students and your trainer, further examination can be either written coursework or an exam or a mixture of both. Accreditation with any TEFL cert is probably the most important aspect of it, as it is a basic certificate of competence to teach English and no other subject.

Didn't we see some news reports right after the guy that wa accused of killing the Ramsey girl ,where guys were deported fro using False Univercity certificates?

Just how I remember it I could be very wrong wouldn't be the first time.

yes, you are correct, i'm guessing if they are checking, some may be packing up and moving on, either close by or even china or japan, try immitating a teacher someplace else. although unless close by, they may check a little better on the backround thing, as some bordering thailand may not enforce regs that much.

It must be far more strict in south Korea where there are tales of bogus teachers being arrested in the classroom.

As I remember there was a crackdown after that guy who claimed to have killed the Jon Benet Ramsey girl was caught in Bangkok. I remember reading abpout the aftermath somewhere. The teachers who were caught were charged with an offense (don't know it was a criminal charge) but they had a trial in the Bangkok courts. They were given a couple months in jail and then deported. They were also declared persona non grata and banned from Thailand. They also got a free appearance on Thai tv. They also got a stay in the Immigration detention centre which some one nicknamed the black hole of Bangkok. If the government decides to pursue the matter seriously and make an example of you there is little the embassies can do other than get you a lawyer. My home government will help a person get a flight home afterwards but then present you with a bill shortly after arrival. I could be wrong but I certainly would not want to chance it. You may want to check www.thaiprisonlife ,com for info on thai prisons

You know you might not a have problem one here in this area, until you made the wrong person angry and then you could be in for all of the above real quickly.

I used to volunteer to help, I enjoyed the activity. However after I saw what happened to Volunteers after the Tsunami. I stopped that. I enjoy being a student at AUA and they don't deport you for that.

I was wondering if the authorities were to find out that fraudelent documents were used in the past ,they would take action against the person or persons that commited the fraud?

Probably wouldn't waste their time unless they were friends with the complainant,but it might be an opportunity for them to make some big bucks!

Fraud is Fraud,
In europe or here, just the same.
I used to know many Polish people. They were legal in Europe (3 months tourist). No problem.
Many where working illegal in Europe. Problem
When the police cached them: deportation: on a train back to Poland.
(Problem was, most of them were one day later back in Europe....)
So for me it is just the same, if a farang works illegal here, expulsion....

that would seem like a major visa/immigration violation. especially if they investigated, found to be fraud, which probably means you weren't such a good teacher or whatever anyway. probably terminated from half you contracts as teacher, but lingering where not wanted, just waiting to get caught, or maybe prepping to leave before someone points out the obvious.

i kind of like most of the rules, only a few actually fall inbetween the cracks, but i does weed out the undesirables.

lapanphon:

You seem to be a very perceptive individual. Well done.

I believe you are accomplished at the art of reading between lines.

I am in the process of inquiring as to why my recent post in the previous thread to this one was deleted without warning. As you may remember Valentine moved the topic here from "Can someone teach my thai girl English?" It got a bit off-topic was was an interesting one to pursue here.

I have requested that Lee re-insert it into the now-locked thread. Hopefully it will be. Hopefully it was an accident. Anyone who wishes to read it can PM me for a reconstructed copy I have made. It is regarding fake degree mills.