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Re: Goldman Sachs

Postby WBU ALUM » July 17, 2010, 9:32 am

jackspratt wrote:I note the 4 of the 5 current commissioners were appointed by Bush - but that is probably not important when you are looking for an angle on Obama.

That information is very important. I was only aware as to how many could be appointed by any sitting president. Thank you for pointing that out. Fraud, deceit and lack of transparency is a serious issue regardless.

As for the "angle", no one has to "look" or fabricate a story when a candidate receives almost $1 million in campaign funds from employees of a single source, and I would be suspicious no matter who is president. It is evident that even those who spin for the Left have pointed this out.
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Re: Goldman Sachs

Postby cookie » July 17, 2010, 10:35 am

jackspratt wrote:
- the Huffington Post seems to assume credibility, even for arch conservatives, when it prints something that suits their (the conservative's) arguements.


incredible indeed,
glad you noticed.
last week,
WBU blasted the Huffington post as incredible
(of course because the article didn't fit his point of view)
and one week later he proudly uses the Huffington post as a great article, highly credible
you've got to give it to this man, ashamed of nothing.... :lol: :lol: :lol:
shows again indeed with what kind of man we are dealing here.... ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Re: Goldman Sachs

Postby WBU ALUM » July 17, 2010, 11:21 am

While off topic, I feel compelled to respond to personal attacks.

It would be wise to look at what is contained in sources and not the actual source. In the Huffington Post (which everyone knows is a far-left-leaning organization) article that I questioned, it contained no data that can support "saved or created jobs" anywhere in the world and there is disagreement on many fronts as to whether a stimulus is working in the US (which was the topic at that time). "Saved or created jobs" cannot be measured, and no one has ever even been able to explain how it is measured. However, campaign records of politicians open to the public is usually considered to be hard data, unless one just doesn't believe anything from anyone.

Certain posters seem more concerned with individual posters than with the topic under discussion.

If I post a conservative source, the source is discredited regardless of what facts are contained in the story. If I post a liberal source, I am subject to personal attacks.

I find it humorous that the information provided in my posts was not questioned, which was the whole point of my posting it.

Lastly, I am not going to defend any politician who breaks the law if there is evidence "beyond a reasonable doubt", which is what is required for a conviction in a court of law in the US. As I have stated before, I am not a Democrat, nor Republican or Independent. I simply believe in the US Constitution and principles of free enterprise. Politicians who promote those governing and economic principles are the ones I support.
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Re: Goldman Sachs

Postby cookie » July 17, 2010, 11:36 am

WBU ALUM wrote:While off topic, I feel compelled to respond to personal attacks.

It would be wise to look at what is contained in sources and not the actual source. In the Huffington Post (which everyone knows is a far-left-leaning organization) article that I questioned, it contained no data that can support "saved or created jobs" anywhere in the world and there is disagreement on many fronts as to whether a stimulus is working in the US (which was the topic at that time). "Saved or created jobs" cannot be measured, and no one has ever even been able to explain how it is measured. However, campaign records of politicians open to the public is usually considered to be hard data, unless one just doesn't believe anything from anyone.

Certain posters seem more concerned with individual posters than with the topic under discussion.

If I post a conservative source, the source is discredited regardless of what facts are contained in the story. If I post a liberal source, I am subject to personal attacks.

I find it humorous that the information provided in my posts was not questioned, which was the whole point of my posting it.

Lastly, I am not going to defend any politician who breaks the law if there is evidence "beyond a reasonable doubt", which is what is required for a conviction in a court of law in the US. As I have stated before, I am not a Democrat, nor Republican or Independent. I simply believe in the US Constitution and principles of free enterprise. Politicians who promote those governing and economic principles are the ones I support.

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Re: Goldman Sachs

Postby cookie » July 17, 2010, 11:45 am

man,
sometimes it's better to stop the BS
because people start to see right through all the spin you are making,
all these excuses were just a waste of time,
you didn't attacked my post because of the article,
you attacked it because it was from the Huffington post!!!!
and you can spin as much as you want....
you just dig your hole deeper and deeper :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Goldman Sachs

Postby NOLA » July 17, 2010, 11:50 am

Right on, Cookie...but what do you expect from someone who keeps his ears and eyes tuned into right wing BS.
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Re: Goldman Sachs

Postby WBU ALUM » July 17, 2010, 12:10 pm

WBU ALUM wrote:Certain posters seem more concerned with individual posters than with the topic under discussion.

I rest my case.
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Re: Goldman Sachs

Postby arjay » July 17, 2010, 12:35 pm

If I wanted to read about Goldman Sachs and opened this thread and looked at the last few posts, I wouldn't find much about them. :?

Let's leave it that you've all had your say and can we now keep future/subsequent posts on the original topic, assuming there are any. ;)
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Re: Goldman Sachs

Postby WBU ALUM » July 18, 2010, 10:29 am

Make of it what you will, it appears that GS is happy with their fine. They will continue to make billions.

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Re: Goldman Sachs

Postby BobHelm » July 18, 2010, 8:50 pm

I am uncertain as to if this is the end of this matter.
I am also rather confused as to how the 'fine' was arrived at. According to the BBC
The UK's Royal Bank of Scotland, which is now 84% owned by the UK taxpayer and lost about $840m in investments, will receive $100m compensation.


This seems somewhat of a puzzle to me.
Either Goldman committed a crime & should, therefor, pay 100% compensation to those it defrauded as well as some sort of appropriate penalty.
Or, no crime was committed & Goldman should not pay anything to anyone.

RBS are, it is reported, considering going to court for the remaining $740M.
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Re: Goldman Sachs

Postby cookie » July 19, 2010, 8:45 am

of course GS is happy with this fine:

the SEC settled its fraud case against Goldman Sachs for $550 million
1)this is 4 days worth of Goldman's 2009 revenues
2) the banking giant had to admit no legal wrongdoing
3) GS didn't had to fire any senior executives.

who wouldn't be happy???????

This proves again that these big corporations (oil, banks, insurance, health care, military,...) they are simply controlling not only the government which they simply legally buy,
but they are even controlling the legal system in the USA
there seems to be no more justice, and justice can also be bought :evil: :evil: :evil:
the more I think about it, in these points, bribery, no justice,.. the US starts to look a bit like Thailand :-k :-k
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Re: Goldman Sachs

Postby NOLA » July 19, 2010, 11:16 am

Cookie...good post, but i believe that thailand is only pennies on the dollar as corrupt as the good old US of A.
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Re: Goldman Sachs

Postby cookie » July 22, 2010, 9:19 am

Goldman Sachs had some juridic problems
The American way solution to this problem: LOBBYING, LOBBYING, LOBBYING and some more LOBBYING !!!!!

As Goldman Sachs faced arguably one of its most challenging quarter in decades -- on several fronts, from SEC charges and lagging profits to financial regulatory reform and renewed scrutiny of all its activities -- the firm increased its spending on lobbying by almost 40% in the second quarter of 2010 and has already spent almost as much in the first half of this year as it did in all of 2009.

In its most recent lobbying report filed last night, Goldman spent $1.58 million to influence Congress and the White House on a host of issues including Wall Street reform -- specifically derivatives regulation, bank tax and financial risk management -- the much-debated unemployment benefits extension, municipal finance, small business funding, climate change legislation and transportation funding.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/21/goldman-sachs-spends-40-p_n_654149.html

more and more prove that the US political system is a failed system !!!!!!!!!!
as someone wisely noticed:
Forty years ago, we put a man on the moon, but we can't get Lobbyist out of Washington...
[-( [-(

perhaps a solution to stop the lobbying, because it is now quite clear that the lobbyist are running the USA in name of the big corporations !!!!!!

there should be a non deductible 90% surtax applied to all lobbying done by banks, oil companies, defense contractors, airlines, and all their affiliates. Only exemptions are non profit groups.
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Re: Goldman Sachs

Postby JimboPSM » July 27, 2010, 2:22 am

CNBC Business News have just reported on a bit (and there are many of them) of the financial reform law which had escaped my attention - it may cause a bit of consternation amongst those who have been operating at or beyond the fringes of the law.

There is, however, a great danger that this kind of legislation could all too easily be misused by disgruntled current and ex-employees:
New Wave of Whistleblowers Could Become Millionaires

Under little-noticed new provisions of the Dodd-Frank Wall Street reform law, whistleblowers like Markopolos who alerted the SEC to Bernard Madoff's Ponzi scheme will for the first time be entitled to collect between 10- and- 30 percent of the money recovered by the government.

And that could turn a new wave of whistleblowers, those insiders with proof of financial wrongdoing on Wall Street, into millionaires.

"If the law works, whistleblowers should be rewarded with millions of dollars," said Stephen Kohn, executive director of the National Whistleblowers Center. "Those whistleblowers will save investors billions and billions of dollars."

And the promise of so much money changing hands has plaintiff's lawyers chomping at the bit. On July 23rd, Kohn's center held a briefing for lawyers seeking to understand how to bring the new cases. One attorney familiar with the law says he already has cases in the pipeline ready to go now that the new law has passed.

The new law will allow whistleblowers who bring "original information" to the Securities and Exchange Commission or the Commodity Futures Trading Commission to remain anonymous— even to the government. Working with an attorney as an intermediary, insiders with information about fraud can bring allegations to the government without fear that the government will somehow reveal their identity.

The new provision comes into law even as the SEC has become more aggressive in awarding tipsters.

On July 23, the commission announced the award of $1 million to Glen Kaiser and Karen Kaiser of Southbury, Conn., who provided information and documents that were crucial to the SEC's insider trading case against Pequot Capital. That award, which was the largest paid by the SEC for information in an insider trading case, was paid out under earlier authority.

Experts familiar with the new Dodd-Frank provisions expect that the dollar awards paid to informants in insider trading, securities and commodities fraud cases will grow much higher than $1 million.

In the Pequot case, whistleblower Karen Kaiser is the ex-wife of David Zilkha, a Microsoft employee who took a job offer from Pequot. Kaiser and her new husband found a key email between Zilkha and another Microsoft employee.

Experts don't expect the next wave of whistleblowers to consist entirely of ex-wives, but they do expect that people very close to the fraud will now have enormous financial incentives to go to the government.

"It won't take very many whistleblowers in the large brokerage houses to win their cases," said Kohn, "in order for people to get the message that anyone sitting in that room with you may become a multimillionaire by turning in your fraud. The beauty of this law is essentially it uses greed to fight greed."

Original article (which contains links to further articles): http://classic.cnbc.com/id/38416207
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Re: Goldman Sachs

Postby nkstan » July 27, 2010, 8:15 am

I favor the ''whistlblowers reward'' program,if it also contains penalties for false claims!
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