How far are Thai Politicians willing to go

by **bumper** » May 13, 2009, 8:27 pm

Since I'm not into b debates and I certainly no facts to back this feeling. I'm truly wondering of the opposition party is willing to totaly destroy the country to gain control back?

How long have then been working on getting approval to seek loans for the stimulus mega projects. Mind you that is simply permission to aplly for loan not actually starting anything.

I noticed that the vote was put of yesterday on a technicality. Supposedly put off to today. I didn't see anything that said it was voted on today. They are defiently at each others throats all the time. I see now that the F/M is under investigation along with many more. It seem like running the country is very far down on the things to do list.

So are they willing to destroy the entire economy to get Democrats out?

I think yes they are prepared to do just that.

by **jackspratt** » May 14, 2009, 7:00 am

git wrote:Since I'm not into b debates and I certainly no facts to back this feeling. I'm truly wondering of the opposition party is willing to totaly destroy the country to gain control back?

How long have then been working on getting approval to seek loans for the stimulus mega projects. Mind you that is simply permission to aplly for loan not actually starting anything.

I noticed that the vote was put of yesterday on a technicality. Supposedly put off to today. I didn't see anything that said it was voted on today. They are defiently at each others throats all the time. I see now that the F/M is under investigation along with many more. It seem like running the country is very far down on the things to do list.

So are they willing to destroy the entire economy to get Democrats out?

I think yes they are prepared to do just that.

git I suspect that any time you see "mega projects" and Thailand in the same sentence, start thinking huge trough, and lots of snouts. And the opposition cannot get their snouts into said trough whilst they remain as opposition.

Methinks that is what it is all about - plus of course, positioning for the upcoming mayhem when the unmentionable happens.

by **bumper** » May 14, 2009, 1:38 pm

A a day i think I want tobe on vacation somewhwre else till the dust settles.

by **Roy** » May 14, 2009, 2:00 pm

So that would be trying to gain back the control that the so called Democrats took away from them, after being democratically elected, by nearly totally destroying the country and make it a laughing stock in the rest of the worlds eyes. :roll:

by **jackspratt** » May 14, 2009, 3:59 pm

Roy wrote:So that would be trying to gain back the control that the so called Democrats took away from them, after being democratically elected, by nearly totally destroying the country and make it a laughing stock in the rest of the worlds eyes.

Roy the "opposition party" (presumably the PTP) can get back into power at any time it likes without any destruction of the Thai economy (not that I am saying that is their desire). It simply requires them to win back the support of those MPs who abandoned them in December last year. Or in other words, getting the numbers in the Parliament.

"nearly totally destroying the country"........."make it a laughing stock in the eyes of the rest of the world".........if you are suggesting that the Democrats have done those things, I would suggest that you are being a bit hyperbolic in your descriptions.

by **Roy** » May 14, 2009, 4:16 pm

Jack, I concede the "nearly destroying the country" comment was a little over the top but they certainly have harmed it.
As for the "Laughing stock" comment and sorry I cannot give details of a specific report but I clearly remember hearing those actual words used in a BBC report at the time of the airport occupation.

by **bumper** » May 14, 2009, 5:38 pm

Well it isn't over yet and n one seemso be content to wait on the normal election process.

by **bumper** » May 14, 2009, 6:32 pm

You know these things happen when people get into heated debate wioth such passion. All though this a example of the discord. Thi incident isn't the problem it's years of no unoty in the government to approach problems. Amazing if the ever get anything done. Normal democratic process has never really been defined within Thailand. When I say that I mean what is the norm in Thailand, to have functioning government between elections. You can have it if you don't what it is, that you really want. I've learned as expat that not one fits all in democracy each country has to define that for themsleves. pursue it and live by the rule of law. So far I don't think Thailand is even close yet. All we have seen over the past years in a constent power struggle.

Would an election held oday man anything would those that didn't get the amount of power they wanted be willing to work within in the frame work they had. I don't think so.

Question still stands how far are they willing to go. Recently there was a difference of opinnion between the Parliment and the Security officals a to foriegn dignitaries bringiong there own security operatind with them. That wa not an accident that they asked for that. They had literally been ran out of a international meeting. The reason it was opposed, because it mean thailand woudl lose face. How much more face can you lose then what happened in that incident. Thai's should be proud of many things in the country, but sometimes the pride becomes destructive.

So far w have seen the seat of governement ocupied, airport siezed, international meeting stopped dead in it's tracks and riots in the streets. Assination attempts. So how far they willing to go?

Thailand Outlook News:
House Session Disrupted by Embarassing Brawl of MPs
UPDATE : 14 May 2009

The joint House session today was disrupted when government and opposition MPs began fighting after a heated verbal exchange. The incident has disappointed the public, which want Parliament to find ways to bring about national reconciliation.

At the beginning of the morning session, House Speaker Chai Chidchob argued with opposition MPs about whether several motions could be submitted simultaneously. Chai insisted that they could and dared those who disagreed with him to petition the Constitution Court for a verdict.

Afterward, Chai ordered that a quorum be taken. During the count, opposition Pheu Thai Party MP Somkit Balthaisong of Nong Khai stood to petition Chai, accusing government MPs of falsely claiming the presence of other government MPs.

This led Democrat MP Pramuan Aimpear of Chonburi to speak rudely toward Somkit. As an argument ensued between Pramuan and Somkit, another Democrat MP Apichat Supapang walked towards Somkit, trying to punch and kick him.

Apichat and Somkit continued to scuffle as other MPs tried to separate them, eventually succeeding.

After the brawl ended, Speaker Chai then asked all members to identify themselves again with their MP identification cards. However, Pheu Thai MP Somkit continued to taunt the two Democrat MPs, daring them to come out and settle the matter.

Afterward, Pheu Thai MP Somkit held a press briefing condemning what he said were improper acts of the Democrat MPs. He acknowledged that he exchanged rude words with the Democrat MPs but said there was no fight because they were separated by other MPs.

In the press briefing, Pheu Thai MP Sunai Chulapongsatorn said the Democrat MPs in question had acted improperly in several instances. He called on the House Speaker to press senior Democrats to bring their MPs in line.

Meanwhile, Democrat MPs Buranaj Smutharaks and Pramuan insisted that the Democrats did not start the fight. They accused Somkit of taunting and provoking Democrat MPs during the session and claimed that they smelled alcohol on Somkit's breath. They also asked Parliament to conduct an investigation into the incident.

by **aznyron** » May 14, 2009, 7:16 pm

if Thaksin was allowed in and able to run he would win overwhelmingly that the fear they have
he was the best thing for the poor rice farmer & factory worker that why they re/elected him over & over
it scared a certain person who name I will with hold because I suspect he will not have the power he is
planning on getting

by **jackspratt** » May 14, 2009, 8:55 pm

aznyron wrote:if Thaksin was allowed in and able to run he would win overwhelmingly that the fear they have
he was the best thing for the poor rice farmer & factory worker that why they re/elected him over & over
it scared a certain person who name I will with hold because I suspect he will not have the power he is
planning on getting

Ron, I presume you mean after he (Thaksin) gets out of jail =D>

by **bumper** » May 14, 2009, 9:11 pm

Heck I forgot the the take over, even if Thaksin was allowed back in with no jail time still wouldn't stop the problems there are camps on both directions on that one.

At the moment it doesn't mattre who wins or looses an election they won't be accepted.

Interesting turn of events. Until they are willing to rule by the Law accept the results of a election even if they don't like it and run again next time around, there is no answer. Pretty frightening how far things have went already and still nothing is truly resolved. No matter how many P.R. trips they take it won't change the facts on the ground.

Sure they will get quick money investors in and out to turn a profit just as we have seen through the week. But long term is little more difficult to get and long term is what they need. As far as tourism is concerned lots of places to go besides Thailand. It cost a good chunk of Change to get here from the states, then they game begins.

The reputation they have so well earned over the past years isn't great, couple all that with the violence in the political enviornment, thay have already done damage. I check the news each day to see the other shoe drop.

Oh well I'm a visitor and know to stay away from any poitical rallies. But if I were looking for a short vaction I'm afraid it wouldn'r br here. Nothing is stable no matter how amny times they say it for press releases.

So whats next anyone doubt there won't be something else in the future?

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