'I'm not qualified to land plane', pilot tells passengers

by **beer monkey** » December 20, 2008, 6:43 pm

westerby wrote:Going back to the topic, I don't think I can ever remember a military jockey saying, 'sorry, I'm not qualified to land in this kind of weather' because their cats were always up to date. But I was forced to sleep over on a landaway when my home airfield was clagged in and the cloud ceiling was down to about 50 feet and the powers that be wouldn't let our helicopter land there. It's probably more serious for airlines because there's money involved and customers to compensate, I guess - a bit of a goof up on the airline's part.

Yeah That Clagging is a right pain in the arse.

by **westerby** » December 20, 2008, 7:27 pm

beer monkey wrote:Yeah That Clagging is a right pain in the arse.

Oh it is for sure, BM. You're on landaway and can't get home because the weather's dogsh*t. The aircrew are gagging to fly in to the home airfield and the ground crew are sulking because they've got another night away from their ugly wives after two weeks of deployment with Mr. Westerby. Or even worse, finishing your four months tour of the Falkland Islands only to find out your Gozomie bird had broken down at Ascension Island. Great days....
Being delayed never worried me personally, though. Which was why I was pretty laid back when Eva postponed my trip home for 8 days the other week (thank you Padders).

by **Frankie 1** » December 20, 2008, 10:20 pm

I still don't understand.
First of all, these modern airplanes can completely land on auto pilot, fog or no fog.
And secondly, if an airplane wouldn't be able to land because of fog, then they'd have to shut down the airport for half the year, because Schiphol airport is covered in fog a lot and it's one of Europe's most busy airports.
Or, there is something else they don't tell us about, like shutting down runways because of emergency landings, mistakes, technical problems, or other problems that don't end up in the newspapers.

by **westerby** » December 20, 2008, 11:34 pm

Frankie 1 wrote:I still don't understand.

You're right Frank, modern airliners can land in fog but in this case, the pilot did not have the qualification/categorization to land that particular type of aircraft in fog so he had to fly home. Which is a goof on the airline's part. See Jet Doc's explanation above.

by **beer monkey** » December 20, 2008, 11:45 pm

Speaking of 'Goofs'....i hate to say it westerly but that photo of you sure looks 'Goofy' to me in a harmless fun 50/60's American sort of way of course, Have you ever worked in the local supermarket..?.....Anyway, So the pilot didn't hab the right paper work to put it on Auto P, i would hazzard a guess that this is not easy to obtain, with things working nowadays on the helical friction principal...also when you get to the clagging stage then i fear many will have something to complain about(what say you westers..?),Combine Clag with Fog and the lack of experiance with the workings of the Helical friction principal it could spell a rough ride but until then we should all be grateful of a safe landing no matter where it is and the rules and regs that are in-place to this present day....

by **westerby** » December 21, 2008, 12:02 am

beer monkey wrote:Speaking of 'Goofs'....i hate to say it westerly but that photo of you sure looks 'Goofy' to me in a harmless fun 50/60's American sort of way of course, Have you ever worked in the local supermarket..?.....Anyway, So the pilot didn't hab the right paper work to put it on Auto P, i would hazzard a guess that this is not easy to obtain, with things working nowadays on the helical friction principal...also when you get to the clagging stage then i fear many will have something to complain about(what say you westers..?),Combine Clag with Fog and the lack of experiance with the workings of the Helical friction principal it could spell a rough ride but until then we should all be grateful of a safe landing no matter where it is and the rules and regs that are in-place to this present day....

Er, yeah.

I'm not qualified to fly the 'plane 'cos I'm too Goofy.

by **Bandung_Dero** » December 21, 2008, 7:52 am

I guess he could have made the whole situation better by just saying:-

"---- due to unexpected and adverse weather conditions at Charles DeGaull we have been advised to return to -----"

by **jetdoc** » December 21, 2008, 12:58 pm

For those that are interested.

In 1930 Diamond added a 15-pound unit to the radio
range beacon and radiotelephone in the cockpit that
made possible the first blind landing of an airplane
entirely by radio guidance [4]. The test came on
September 5, 1931, when an airplane, on loan from the
Bureau of Air Commerce with pilot Marshall S. Boggs
at the controls, made the first blind landing in the
history of aviation using only radio signals for lateral,
longitudinal, and horizontal guidance.

For the complete article.

http://nvl.nist.gov/pub/nistpubs/sp958-lide/038-042.pdf

by **westerby** » December 21, 2008, 4:48 pm

jetdoc wrote:For those that are interested.
In 1930 Diamond added a 15-pound unit to the radio
range beacon and radiotelephone in the cockpit that
made possible the first blind landing of an airplane
entirely by radio guidance [4]. The test came on
September 5, 1931, when an airplane, on loan from the
Bureau of Air Commerce with pilot Marshall S. Boggs
at the controls, made the first blind landing in the
history of aviation using only radio signals for lateral,
longitudinal, and horizontal guidance.

I'm interested, cheers. The first ILS system then? Didn't know it was that old.

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