Impact of Immigration on Europe

Hope this post is still considered "on topic". I'm not sure the original post's question is ultra-important, to either GB or the US.
After reading some of the past posts to this and other forums, a more important question would appear to be "What impact will the increasing militancy and questionable allegiances of immigrants have on the UK's foreign policy, let alone national culture".
IMHO, the huge numbers of Islamic immigrants and their effect on the nations of Europe (especially GB, France, and Germany) are in fact, the opening salvos of a War of Civilizations, whether to remain in the darkness of the 14th Century or progess through the 21st Century.

LL, I think your question is more appropriate to a new topic, so have split it.

If you feel the title inappropriate, please feel free to edit it.

RJ,, nope,,, not a problem,,, good call,,, maybe it will generate some lively discussions. Thanks

And then again,,,,,,,,,, maybe it won't,,,,, Looks like it's of little concern to forum readers.

I would not expect anything less than tolerance but I think the apathetic part would concern some. At some point the impact would have to change the national identity but I would be more concerned about foreign policy, especially as it relates to energy etc. and having to bow to the producing counties wishes.

What is the UK dependance on imported oil vs North Sea crude, percentage wise, and what is the projected life of the North Sea reserves?

Have the immigrants had an impact on Britains social policies re welfare, unions, crime, birth rates, education etc?

We in the States have looked upon ourselves in the past as a melting pot, able to assimilate immigrants. But I would maintain that Islamic immigrants have not assimilated that well,,,,
Their main loyalty remains with their religion and not a country. My impression is the same exists in Britain or the other european countries. They immigrate for specific reasons but do not develop a loyalty, even after succeeding generations. Am I wrong?

Tilokarat, sorry,,,my total ignorance of Mr. Powell's speach leaves me unable to post a meaningful reply.

Tilokarat,,,,,,Found it, read it. He definitely became the lightning rod for the PC crowd. The left (because of their allies, the media) is able to marginalize anyone who tries to have an honest discussion by labeling them racist or worse, shouting down public discourse. It is quite common in the US, even on college campuses, that bastion of free speech and open mindedness.

Enoch Powell's speech:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP7fETsKYkA
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhvpaVSE ... re=related

Tilokarat wrote:It is on here somewhere.

Never mind, google, Enoch Powell, Rivers of Blood speech, and it should appear. Try and get a reference to the full speech.

He was an intellectual and thought to be prime ministerial material; however, this speech buried him forever.

Although the 1968 speech did him no favours (he was never to be a front bencher again) I don't think it "buried him forever", as after leaving the Conservative party in 1974, he became an Ulster Unionist MP between October 1974 and 1987. However, that decision might tell more about the thrust of the Ulster Unionists than Powell himself. All in all, Enoch Powell had a long and distinguished career being awarded an MBE for his service.

The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enoch_Powell (you will have to cut and paste the link) mention is erudite and exposes a very different man from the one that was made infamous by the 'River of Blood' speech. An interesting read.

it saddens me that recently in luton muslims who live here and work or claim benefits were out on the street demonstrating as our troops came home from iraq calling them murderers and baby killers and nothing was done yet the locals who objected to the demo were hassled by the police.it is a sign of what the uk is becoming,muslim hate mongers can freely spout off about hating britain while they and their familys claim thousands a year in benefits but brits can be arrested for the same thing.i fear for the future of britain and soon genuine brits will be in the minority.my father who fought for his country will be turning in his grave,there are far to many bleeding hearts here.it seems that most muslims want to work or claim benefits here but want to change britain into a muslim state so why come here in the first place,i can put it into 2 words easy pickings and until we sort our benefits system this will be the number one destination as can be seen by the thousands waiting in france to get here. stokiebaz.

You are quite right stokie.Britain has lost its identity.Nowadays it appears that the government takes care more of illegal immigrants than its own people.
How Britain can regain its identity now without bloodshed,I dont know.
Once again,politicians who havent got a clue about real life are to blame.
I thought it was sickening to see the Luton muslims demonstrating against our troops whilst the police stood by.
Can you imagine us farangs being tolerated over here for demonstrating against the Thai army ?
We'd be given a good kicking and flung off the 11th storey of a Pattaya condo !