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Re: Learning to invest in Thai Stocks

Postby TJ » August 7, 2010, 9:44 am

There is some satisfaction, when converting the value of my stocks into the currency of my country, that I see the dollar value is significantly enlarged due to the shrinkage in the Thai-U.S. exchange rate.

For once the inflating influences of Keynesian finance is working for me rather than against me. I won't be surprised in the near future to see a 25 baht to the dollar rate as was the case when I first arrived in Thailand.
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Re: Learning to invest in Thai Stocks

Postby old-timer » August 7, 2010, 11:53 am

Just over 3 years ago OT bought half a rai of land in Udon for 330,000 baht. That was when the pound was around 70 baht. Now I've just been offered 400,000 baht for the same land and they will pay all the duty. The pound now is at 50 baht. That's 3 grand profit (sterling) on a less than 5 grand investment over 3 years. Anyway - I have agreed to sell it.
Two things, first - who says you can't make money in Thailand ?
second - no need to play around with point something percentages on the Thai stock exchange.

OT.....ahead of the game as usual....... \:D/
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Re: Learning to invest in Thai Stocks

Postby bumper » August 7, 2010, 12:37 pm

Good for you. That is a very quick sale.

I will stick to the SET, But whatever works for you is great.
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Re: Learning to invest in Thai Stocks

Postby bumper » August 8, 2010, 3:33 pm

My experience with Thaistocks. I have gotten great feed back from the members there. I started out with these postings the very minute I started investing. I had no idea how things were going to turn out.

You know I didn't feel the slightest bit uncomfortable in talking about my money, when it was 15 K a month. But, now I'm starting to feel that way. I started posting on the forums they day I sit out to do this. I wanted people to have a no silliness view at trying to do this. I've accomplished that. But its not 15 K anymore. I need to come up with a better idea so I don't sound like I'm bragging. Cause the truth today sounds very much like that.

I just wanted everyone to see what could be done, with the proper guidance. I started very slow when I felt comfortable with my results I added more to the kitty. But the numbers I give you guys are true.

I just can't think of another way of showing what I have done. Anyone got any idea I don't want to seem like I'm bragging.

Now I got to beat the bank and falling dollar :roll:
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Re: Learning to invest in Thai Stocks

Postby parrot » August 8, 2010, 7:13 pm

I wouldn't worry about 'bragging'. You're pretty much stating your experience. I hardly have the guts to invest in US/European stocks......don't think I could take the Thai way of doing business (Thai Air's recent decision to start a new low budget airline is a good example).
For every good stock out there in the world, there's a BP or Lucent waiting to happen. You take your chances.
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Re: Learning to invest in Thai Stocks

Postby bumper » August 8, 2010, 7:50 pm

Your right, very good reason to spread the money through different company's and classes. When one goes under it won't kill you. My stop loss is 10%, problem with Asai plus you can't make that automatic, so you have to watch what is going on.

Since Thaistocks does the research, I'm invested in companies I have never heard of before. But they have paid thus far.

I would say this unless you know the business world in Thailand along with the market and know how to invest. You need a good solid investment club It really has paid off for me thus far. The chances of me succeeding without that would be next to nothing

I'm a bit concerned right now, foreigners coming back into the SET has really driven it up, they can out just a fast as they came in. But investor's want returns hard to get in some markets today. So they look to Asia the Set is one of the least expensive ones around. But, sooner or later they will take their profits. Then we are in for a correction. If you can say accurately when that is, you could make a ton of money.

Remember I started slowly and built over time. I would really recommend that to anyone new to this. I reinvested my profits and built a lot more the I thought I would. Unless you have a lot of money to throw away this is not something to fly blind in.

It can the other way as well at over a 40% profit on Global right now, tomorrow I will sale enough shares to bring my profit out. Everything I see says it will continue up. But, greed can kill you as fast as investing in the wrong company. I will still end up with shares in it, it goes up oh happy days, it doesn't I have pulled profit already.

You have time to see what is happening and to act on them. The mistake with BP would have been to hold on. No one could not have not known what was happening. Me I would sale as soon a saw just how big the problem was, Take my 10% loss. Guess what BP might be a better stock in the future and you can by for far less.

Yes some Thai companies do some pretty silly things. But, if you have a good researcher in your club that knows what he is doing, visits the companies he invests in, know the managements and how they behave. You bring the risk factor down. There is no stock in the world that come with a guarantee. they can all fail.

You know I haven't gotten rich, I made little money in small and mid size caps. I have stocks that are less then a baht and they are making profits and they all pay dividends. I don't see this as a get rich scheme I see it as a steady growth to beat the bank rates.

But do the research before you drop one dime in it. If it looks good and it something you can walk away from if you have to, then venture forth at your comfort level. If I lost everything I have now in the market it wouldn't change my life one bit, I plan on keeping it that way.
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Re: Learning to invest in Thai Stocks

Postby old-timer » August 9, 2010, 1:02 am

bumper wrote:they all pay dividends..


How do you collect your dividends ? They are or course as everyone knows taxable, from wherever you are in the world. I would hazard a guess that most people get their dividends paid straight into their bank account, and the rest buy cheque and all payments are followed by a tax voucher that is all part of your tax return...how does that work in Thailand ? Are your profits taxed ? and are you legally allowed to trade from within the LOS ? are you going through an agent from the US?
You can play these things via the internet wherever you are, however it might be completely illegal. Just a thought.

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Re: Learning to invest in Thai Stocks

Postby bumper » August 9, 2010, 9:24 am

No capitol gains tax. Dividends are pretty simple paid directly into the account you designate taxes are already taken out. So nothing much to do really. It was funny the account for dividends is the wife's. She most have thought she was playing monopoly and the bank made an error in her favor. Once she got the picture that we are in a building process she put them back in the stock account.

You know I did well when only the Thai's were in,the first week I had a loss there was blood on the streets, literaly when I began.

Now this is what is driving things
Thailand Stocks Post Longest Gain in 16 Years as Overseas Investors Return
By Anuchit Nguyen - Aug 5, 2010 4:51 PM GMT+0700

Thailand’s stocks extended gains after entering a bull market this week, posting the longest winning streak in 16 years as accelerating economic and earnings growth lures overseas investors.

The SET Index rose for an 11th day, climbing 0.9 percent to 874.92 at the close, the highest level since May 23, 2008, and the longest stretch of gains since May 1994. The measure has climbed more than 20 percent since its May 25 low, an increase that analysts define as a bull market.

Thailand’s economy may expand as much as 8 percent this year, the fastest pace since 1995, as exports and spending gather strength, Finance Minister Korn Chatikavanij said yesterday. Companies including Sri Trang Agro-Industry Pcl and KCE Electronics Pcl this week reported earnings jumped on higher overseas demand.

“Foreign investors have begun to purchase Thai equities again on confidence in the economy,” Sopawadee Lertmanaschai, secretary general of the Government Pension Fund, which manages about $14 billion of assets, said in an interview today. “Most companies also reported very good earnings in the second quarter even as the country suffered a political crisis in the period.”

Banks led gains today on the outlook for the economy. Bangkok Bank Pcl, the biggest lender, climbed 1.5 percent to 139.5 baht, the most in two weeks, while Kasikornbank Pcl rose 2.9 percent to 106.5 baht, the highest in almost 14 years.

Second-Best Performer

The SET has gained 19 percent this year, the second-best performer among Asia’s 10 biggest markets, as surging exports limited the impact of the political turmoil. Clashes between troops and anti-government protesters in April and May claimed 89 lives in the nation’s worst political violence in 18 years.

Overseas investors bought a net 11 billion baht ($343 million) of Thai shares in the past eight trading sessions, the largest eight-day purchase in almost four months, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Foreigners sold 58.7 billion baht of domestic stocks in May, a record monthly selloff.

“We are surprised by the rebound in exports and also the level in private investment and consumption as well,” Korn said in a speech in Bangkok late yesterday. “Even with the political crisis, we can expect 7 percent. If things hum along the way they are, perhaps 8 percent will be achievable.”

Thailand’s exports jumped 47.1 percent in June from a year earlier to a record $17.9 billion, the central bank said on July 30. Automakers Ford Motor Co., General Motors Co. and Mitsubishi Motors Corp. all announced plans to build factories in Thailand in the past month.

Sri Trang, KCE

Sri Trang, the nation’s largest publicly traded rubber producer, gained 2.8 percent to 22.2 baht after it said yesterday second-quarter profit jumped fourfold to 1.39 billion baht. KCE, the biggest publicly traded exporter of printed circuit board, climbed 3.6 percent to 10.1 baht, the highest close since March 2004. The company said this week net income in the quarter surged 33-fold to 161 million baht.

Thai government spokesman Panitan Wattanayagorn said this week that the government will allow peaceful protests that only last for a short period of time, signaling it may soon lift a state of emergency imposed in Bangkok about four months ago.

The emergency decree, in force in 10 of Thailand’s 76 provinces, gives authorities immunity and lets them close media outlets, freeze bank accounts and detain suspects for 30 days without charge. It also prohibits gatherings of five or more people.

To contact the reporter on this story: Anuchit Nguyen in Bangkok at anguyen@bloomberg.net
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Re: Learning to invest in Thai Stocks

Postby bumper » August 9, 2010, 12:04 pm

It's interesting I may be wrong but it seems better to sale in the morning, the market seem to make corrections in the afternoon. So I now make very low offers on a good stock in the morning and wait about 80% of the time I get them at a lower price. But then maybe the PTSD is working again.

Talk about lucky I sold enough shares in Global this morning to get my profit at 43%, I stayed with it and I'm still at a 39% on my remaining shares and it's still showing a profit. I sold just mins. before it dropped nothing but luck no skill involved.
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Re: Learning to invest in Thai Stocks

Postby bumper » August 9, 2010, 6:02 pm

For anyone who thinks this is a get rich quick scheme I made 160 baht today. This takes time I could have made 309K by selling out but that's not the idea. It could be worse I might have lost 160 Baht [-o<

Things may slow down for me now. Now I'm watching those who have not skyrocketed. If I see them drop I buy in. I know the research that were done on these companies by Thaistocks, which is a value investment club. What does that really mean finding the ones out there that are solid companies, whose time just hasn't came yet. One Company that isn't doing much for example. Is a company who builds electric transformers. Evey time it drops a bit I buy some more why?

There is a huge amount of work in the works for a massive addition to Thailands power grid. The stock is inexpensive now, when the work starts they won't be. Little things like this from the investors forum of Thaistocks that make the difference in the long run.

Never forget I'm on a five year plan so what happens today not a biggy
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Re: Learning to invest in Thai Stocks

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Re: Learning to invest in Thai Stocks

Postby bumper » August 10, 2010, 5:26 pm

I suppose volatility, is what triggered the intermission today. Thanks to Thaistocks I had my profits out before that hit. I also was able to accumulate some good buys. Still a few baht left in the buy fund.

I hold nothing but the model portfolio now and I lost about 4K in profit, didn't even close to my principal. So for me not a bad day at all. I got some good stocks at a good price today.

It is important that the right research is done, If I had not been prepared for this I would have gotten hit hard.
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Re: Learning to invest in Thai Stocks

Postby bumper » August 11, 2010, 11:15 am

This is why Thaistocks works and why I didn't get hammered yesterday. Along with years of experience and research you simply can't get anywhere else. I have been posting on this for about four moths now, You can get started or as little a 15K a month. That is not exactly a huge risk. We are not going to beat the baht exchange rate or next to nothing for interest at the bank. This way you stand a fighting chance anyway.

My only connection is as a participating member and that's it. I earned some money here and I did it legally. I recommend it I have done well, and didn't take a huge risk. You know the history I have posted it at least every week and more at times. If you want to be a serious investor, an increase your chances of doing well It's simply this is the way to go in Thailand (IMO)
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Introduction: Value investing through smaller capitalized companies.

Posted by Aug 11, 2010 reprinted with permission

Introduction

Value investing in the concept of owning for medium term investment shares which appear undervalued, have high cash dividends while you await -and little or no financial leverage. It assumes the minimum risk maximum return way to new wealth creation.



Merrits to smaller company investing often leaves out the most compelling reasons. The case re-stated.

There are various news letters and magazines out there pointing out the merits around smaller cap and mid cap investing. Meaning, these pointing out the various investor advantages and risks associated, when considering investing in shares in smaller and medium sized listed companies. Especially so when investing into Emerging Asian markets.

What these articles never point out, is the huge market in-efficiency around these smaller cap stocks. Why are they so undervalued, as compared to larger companies? Why do these deliver above average dividend yields along with higher then market averages growth rates? Yet at the same time, many smaller cap companies here are true leaders in their respective important industries, this especially so in Thailand. So why such a p/e discount valuations attributed to smaller yet higher growth firms? Finally and not least, why have they been overall and for years, such good performance stars?

The real reason is because most all institutional investors must ignore these. They must do so (at their own peril), strictly and only because of company size! Market cap. is the magic word and all institutions have clear cut-offs, strictly based on market capitalization. Hence most of these smaller "jewels" are totally off the radar screens by the global and local institutions. This, along with the many day traders here in Thailand, has so over many years nurtured into an inefficiently priced stock market.

Where smaller growth stocks, with high dividends, can be owned at a fraction of the p/e ratio and this, as compared to larger cap stocks with their lower growth rates and dividend yields.

Only by also addressing these reasons, can one point-out why it makes sense for individuals to invest for the medium term in smaller cap's. Its the key/core concept which give rise to such superior returns. I am afraid the gnomes of larger cap's in news organization will not want to expose something which is not in their broader interest? And in fact points out to their own inherent weaknesses in getting to own the real growth companies in Asia. (This along with low financial leverage (debts), as compared to so many Western companies).

Hence an article, addressing these real reasons, would invariably be chopped up or smoothed over by large business news editors. I leave it up to readers to find me here and learn all about this very market-inefficiency to be explored here. Entrenched in market in-efficiencies which we the individual investors can explore.

As many are starting to know, its been a long road to investor success here and we can help you as well in getting going.

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Re: Learning to invest in Thai Stocks

Postby bumper » August 11, 2010, 1:11 pm

Forgot to mention if your referred by a member you will get a 10% discount anyone who wants can use me (Ray23) as a referring member, is welcome to do so.
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Re: Learning to invest in Thai Stocks

Postby bumper » August 11, 2010, 5:16 pm

Well this is it for this week, long holiday markets closed for four days, Short story profits is now 56,465 I gained back 1,167 gained back from. Not much trading going on today. I think I beat the bank and baht today \:D/

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