Libya: There go US again!

I must say - I think it really sucks that we now have a third front, BUT I do like how we went about it this time. We enable in a support and coordination role, launch a few cruise missiles and perhaps drones, but let the rest of the coalition do the heavy lifting. I would like to see ground troops from the Arab League get involved at the appropriate time in the future. That would then be a textbook example of how overthrowing an Arab nation should be done. Have the right reasons, secure broad consensus, and go about it the right way. None of that stupid "with us or with the terrorist" afternoon wild west movie rhetoric. Bravo, Obama! A CIC with brains, resolve, a moral compass, and a plan.

Ice skating aficionados should have been well impressed with the speed, ease and grace that so many Pirouettes and Triple Salchows that have been performed on Fox News over the last couple of days

Faux News is always good for a laugh.

Joseph Goebbels would be proud.

KHONDAHM wrote:I must say - I think it really sucks that we now have a third front, BUT I do like how we went about it this time. We enable in a support and coordination role, launch a few cruise missiles and perhaps drones, but let the rest of the coalition do the heavy lifting. I would like to see ground troops from the Arab League get involved at the appropriate time in the future. That would then be a textbook example of how overthrowing an Arab nation should be done. Have the right reasons, secure broad consensus, and go about it the right way. None of that stupid "with us or with the terrorist" afternoon wild west movie rhetoric. Bravo, Obama! A CIC with brains, resolve, a moral compass, and a plan.

I have to disagree about the brains part. What commander is chief tells the enemy that he isn't going to put troops on the ground, whether he plans to or not? This was said on national television repeatedly and said for his politcal purposes to keep his voting base.What the heck is that kind of commander? A very stupid one I would say. No commander would ever tell any strategy on national television! This was done purely to keep his politcal base in the US happy and letting the enemy know this was pure stupidity. Now, the so called Rebels don't know to defect or stay because they don't know if Khadafi will stay in power or not. Like Haraldo did when he was on television drawing a map in the sand, while out in the front lines in Iraq telling television where we were moving. With that, heraldo Revera was kicked off the front to the rear. A similar stupid mistake. Never tell the enemy anything about your battle strategy!

The US is committed to Libya now and they won't get out as easy as Obama thinks because there is not another Country capable of finishing the job. The united states now is spread too thin and there was certainly a more important arena to think about, namely Iran! We will have to put troops on the ground now to take khadafi out. If he stays then there will be continued civil war and slaughter of anyone that was again'st him and his mission will be to try more terror acts upon the US, France and the UK. No, the Us has opened a door that only they can close at a high cost. Now the Nobel people want thier award revoked, not that he should have ever gotten that in the first place, which was a stupid thing anyway. This is a can of worms that has been opened because the Us doesn't even know who the Rebels are. They very well could be alqueida sympathizers or who knows who! These kind of wars never end the easy way and end up lasting for possibly years and thousands of deaths. The Us will be building another nation just like Iraq at a cost that the US can not afford now.

I agree some UA should be in there to or at least pay for the whole thing since it was them that wanted this done too. Or don't they have the money? Why is it always the Americans that have to pay to police the world with no repayment.
This will help I suppose providing some defense jobs..... "a change you can believe in" huh?

Yeah it is sooooo awesome how the UN now declares wars of aggression for the USA to fight! Who needs the charade of a months long propaganda campaign ala Bush and Blair. Who needs to even pretend to follow the Constitution by "consulting" Congress and getting some type of resolution much less an actual declaration of war. Might interfere with Obama's time on the golf course or picking his favorite basketball team or handing out more billions of the taxpayers money to Brazilian oil companies to drill offshore.

So how much "collateral damage" is acceptable this time to fill the pockets of big oil, the banks, and defense contractors?

"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation." Hmmmm, what "Constitutional scholar" said that just a few short years ago?

And Qaddafi may be a dick but he isn't gunning down unarmed peaceful protesters like in Bahrain.
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If Qaddafi is so bad why did Italy, France, UK, Germany, Belgium, Portugal, Spain, and a dozen other European countries sell him arms in the past few years? Billions worth.

And weren't Qaddafi and Blair declaring bff just a short time ago?

as a quick reply, I think this is just another place to squander the Us taxpayers dollars and to help ruin the US economy.
There is not one thing that this Obama charactor has done that has helped the US economy. As his own church pastor of 20 years said ,"Not god blesss Anerica, but god damn America" ..this was his church pastor that he went for 20 years to and Obama says he never heard the pastor say anything like that before...Bulll S____tttt....This guy wants the Us to go Under finacially!!! think about all he's done completely agains't the will of the people!!! The US needs to wake up and get back to where they were under Reagan! This guy is a blithering idiot and puting the US in the tank as fast as he can!

As I understand it, the UN Mandate does not allow troops to be put on the ground, and if there was any indication that that was likely to happen the support from a number of countries would very quickly be withdrawn!!

Please note the topic is Libya now, not Reagan, Bush or Blair!!

OT's not a fan of gadaffi, however he has brought into Libya the best free national health care system in the world, he has the best infastructure in africa, he has a MOU with the UK to allow 1000's of Libyans to study there, he has helped every nation in Africa with banking and investment, he wants to be the president of UA but i think his chances are looking slim on that one. When he finished the biggest mosque in East Africa, which happened to be perched on a hill in old Kampala, OT went and see the guy, he spoke nothing but arabic, which nobody understood.
In OT's opinion, after 40 years of leadership, let the leader sort it out for himself. If there was no oil no-one would give a sh1t.
One other thing, 60% of libyans have scurrys and maids working within thier household, so they are not doing so bad are they?

OT.............

arjay wrote:As I understand it, the UN Mandate does not allow troops to be put on the ground, and if there was any indication that that was likely to happen the support from a number of countries would very quickly be withdrawn!!

Please note the topic is Libya now, not Reagan, Bush or Blair!!

Hate to break it to you but hundreds of British SAS were operating in Libya for weeks before the air strikes even began. This is not a spontaneous people's revolution. The rebels have already started a new oil company and inked deals with Qatar plus formed a new central bank. Sophisticated stuff for some guys who half the time don't even seem to know which end of a weapon the projectile comes out of.

It is being reported by multiple news services and on pretty well all the news channels that Green Square in Tripoli has been taken by the rebels.

In effect that means that the regime of Colonel Gadaffi is on the point of its final collapse, additionally it is being reported that two of the sons of Colonel Gadaffi have been captured.

As the situation is developing rapidly, rather than providing links which are constantly being overtaken by events, I suggest that those interested check out the news channels and the internet for further information.

Somebody pinch me and wake me up. The quote below is from Sen McCain.

(portion of a New York Times piece)
Mr. Obama’s carefully calibrated response infuriated critics on the right and left, who blamed him either for ceding American leadership in a foreign conflict or for blundering into another Arab land without an exit strategy.

But with Colonel Qaddafi joining the lengthening list of tyrants and terrorists dispatched during the Obama presidency, even critics conceded a success for Mr. Obama’s approach to war — one that relies on collective, rather than unilateral, action; on surgical strikes rather than massive troop deployments.

“I think the administration deserves great credit,” Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, said in an interview on CNN. “Obviously, I had different ideas on the tactical side, but the world is a better place.”

I wonder if other Republicans will agree.

And I wonder what country is next.