No Shirt No Shoes = Service?

by **Texpat** » June 13, 2010, 3:35 pm

The tramps and scummy, ill-mannered slobs of the world have got to eat somewhere.
It's unfortunate that they feel compelled to share their unsightly, usually pasty, sour carcasses with other restaurant patrons. :-&

by **Aardvark** » June 13, 2010, 4:16 pm

Hey Chill out Tex. What's the matter Mate, lose some of your Medication

by **Texpat** » June 13, 2010, 4:34 pm

I'm very chilled. About 25 degrees C at the moment.
I find it inexcusable to go into any restaurant (even a fast food joint on the beach) without wearing a shirt.
It's the hallmark of a slob -- but I also recognize that they have to eat somewhere. I just wish it would be alone in their bedsit.

by **Sport** » June 14, 2010, 9:36 pm

Sport wrote:But it had to happen one day, a Thai girl about 20yo, 5' 4", great shape, came in with running shoes, white denim short shorts and no shirt or top. She was asked to put a top on and declined and walked out. Did'nt I have some trouble with the male customers after that.

Aardvark wrote:Yes, I imagine they all walked out after Her

Maybe that is why one of the customers never came back. I could have real trouble in soi Cowboy if I pulled that stunt with the girls. Also singlets( or sleeveless shirts) are OK, they wear them in the pubs back home.

by **Texpat** » June 14, 2010, 11:13 pm

Sport wrote:Also singlets( or sleeveless shirts) are OK, they wear them in the pubs back home.

We call those wife-beaters.
No self-respecting man would be seen outside (aside from his back yard mowing the lawn) in that dreadful getup.

by **mortiboy** » June 15, 2010, 3:27 am

I agree on this one.I wouldnt dream of going around the streets without a top on.
I have seen them in the complex, and Big C.wearing their vests! Most probably tourist so dont know any different
i never go out shopping ect with out wearing trousers.But vests? Dont look nice
But thats up to individual really.

by **patriot** » June 15, 2010, 4:09 am

Singlets outside of the village is a no-no!

There again, why don't wives or girlfriends point hubby in the right direction of sartorial correctness .... mine does. She never lets me wear my lederhosen when dining at Nobi's.

by **nkstan** » June 15, 2010, 7:33 am

IMO,those characters look like tramps,give a negative impression of all falangs to many Thais and are not the type of people that I associate with!So ,I agree with some on here that feel like that.

But then,I don't think anyone here has a right to impose their values on others.It is only serving your selfish agenda by making rules that suit your values only!

Because many Thais might judge you in a negative light because of another falangs actions or presentation is ,again,a selfish motive on your part and you can not alter that thinking by installing rules on another falang,because there would never be enough rules to cover everything!In fact,you would be complaining about all the rules that would encroach on your perceived free rights!

As far as the business establishments are concerned,they should have the right to deny service to anyone that would be a negative influence on their business.As a customer has the right to complain or voice their opinion,then the business owner should make the decision!

It is Thailand ,and the Thais have the right to object,make rules and laws and enforce them ,if behavior is so abhorrent to them,it is their responsibility!What if they should make and enforce laws against body odors of sweating falangs or that falangs are not allowed to discuss or complain about Thai institutions and their policies? [-X

by **Tilokarat** » June 15, 2010, 8:02 am

Right. The 'slobs' should not be imposing their standards on the majority. With freedom comes responsibility. There are common standards of decency in a polite society that are expected of all responsible citizens. If those people do not show responsibility and act according to proper etiquette/observe a dress code, the majority must remind/show them the error of their ways by prohibiting their entry into proper eating establishments or wherever they try to impose their lack of decent standards of dress/behaviour.

by **Aardvark** » June 15, 2010, 8:31 am

Looks like the next time I eat at Knobi's, him and I will be the only one's wearing Singlets

by **patriot** » June 15, 2010, 8:56 am

Aardvark wrote:Looks like the next time I eat at Knobi's, him and I will be the only one's wearing Singlets

Sorry Aa., don't understand, I've never seen Nobi in a singlet in his place

by **patriot** » June 15, 2010, 9:01 am

nkstan wrote:Because many Thais might judge you in a negative light because of another falangs actions or presentation is ,again,a selfish motive on your part and you can not alter that thinking by installing rules on another falang,because there would never be enough rules to cover everything!In fact,you would be complaining about all the rules that would encroach on your perceived free rights!

What I meant was that it is considered by Thais to be inpolite to wear singlets around town, the wearer being falang, thai ...I wasn't trying to impose any values on anyone.

I was pulled up by police a few times in Patong for driving a motorcycle shirtless because it was "not nice".

by **ears'n'eye's** » June 15, 2010, 9:59 am

rct wrote:In most of the civilized world, no shirt no shoes means no service in a restaurant or bar. Unless one is at the beach of course.

My routine enjoyment at Nobi's yesterday, where the food, the owner and the staff are always top notch, was negatively influenced by their customer at the front table without a shirt, apparently planning to settle in at that table for a long while with the bottle of water he ordered, as he was pondering where to rent a room for a month and did not want to pay for a hotel for 1 night. The fact that his body was covered with tatoos front and back is beside the point. I could have said "put a shirt on fella" though he looked scary and this should be the job of the venue to politely enforce such basics, not the responsiblity of a valued customer.

Is it worth it to the restaurant to accept customers who are not properly attired? Or should they enforce "No shirt no shoes no service" rule? What do the majority believe should be acceptable?

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On a related note, I made a first visit to the dentist at Panyavejinter Hospital just before lunch, very positive experience and I highly recommend Dr. Prattana for a 500 baht cleaning. John the staff who helps foreigners and resided in the midwest USA for a while, was filling out my form and and asked for my address this way "Where do you stay, Top Mansion?" This is evidence that even some worldly Thais tend to stereotype us farangs - the shirtless guy and places that accept this behavior does not exactly raise the standard.

i have stayed ruy suk and eaten at nobi's and enjoyed too, i have not experienced the sort of behaviour you did but i must say that it is beyond belief that someone feels it tough to disrespect the Thai and thier own peoples respect in such a way, yes it should be up to management but they proberly felt intimerdated too. i wonder why Thailand attracts these sort of low life people? I have eaten many Thai owned and run restaurants and never have i seen a Thai show such a low standing in life in fact i found Thai's better attired all over Thailand than a lot of foriegn visitors, it makes you feel that they have respect for themselve"s even in the very poor village where i stayed north of Bungan the school children where imaculately dressed for school,

by **wazza** » June 15, 2010, 1:25 pm

Perhaps many bar owners reading this thread might take notice of the comments and for 10 mins on a computer, and then laminated, a dress code of practice for their bar has been produced.

Agreed there is a reluctance for the waiting staff to correct a behavioural issue, smoking being a classic case, where a waitress crimmaces at being asked to request a customer to butt out according to the law of Thailand.

Thais will always stero type expats in Udon for many reasons, the same way i do, when i see the Singlet, shorts and no shower brigade , drinking their Thai beers at the airport for the first flight of the day to BKK @1030 hrs. Just hoping they dont sit next to me on the 1 hour flight.

Maybe this thread will now create a change of name for 1 bar to

no shirt, no shoes no problem Bar. LOL

by **nkstan** » June 15, 2010, 5:06 pm

Might be a good idea for a business owner to advertise,no shirts,no shoes,no service!Then those that are offended by the lack of decorum, will know the places they are less likely to encounter an offender! :lol:

You could have alot of different establishments;no smokers,no profanity,no drunken behavior,no loud talking,no taking the piss out of anyone,no eating without a napkin in your lap,no swallowing you food w/o adequate chewing,no talking with food in your mouth,no sweating,no sexual comments,no shaved heads,no tattoos visible.................. :lol:

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