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Post by merchant seaman » February 17, 2012, 10:39 am

Why is Obama considered to be the first black american president when he is half white? Why not the first half white or the first half black president? Or more correct the first mulatto president if in fact he is. When Tiger Woods made the golf scene he was aked if he considered himself black american, asian american, or black asian? His reply was he considered himself an American



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Post by KHONDAHM » February 17, 2012, 2:33 pm

Obama dealt with that issue and hasn't bothered with it since. Those from or still clinging to the days when segregation was the norm or who continue to make it a reason or an issue will continue to do so. The facts are that it is 2012, MOST of America is over it, and as those fogies continue to die off in increasing numbers, the rest of America will get over it.

Until fairly recently, my 21 year old nephew thought of it as I think of slavery - something that happened, but isn't around anymore. When he was exposed to it, we celebrated. Why? Because he was 21 before he ever blatantly encountered it. But guess what? It wasn't in America. It was here in Thailand after finishing up soldiering in Iraq. So, my glass is raised to not only Obama and what he represents, but to all my fellow TRUE Americans who made him and my nephew's experience (or lack thereof) possible.

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Post by Ricohoc » February 17, 2012, 3:09 pm

merchant seaman wrote:When Tiger Woods made the golf scene he was aked if he considered himself black american, asian american, or black asian? His reply was he considered himself an American
And that is what an unselfish American would say who is uninterested in propagandizing with all the victim whining.

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Post by LoveDaBlues » February 17, 2012, 4:22 pm

Why is Obama considered to be the first black american president when he is half white?

If his picture were shown to 100 people BEFORE he ran for POTUS (and they didn't know who he was) and they were asked "what is the race of the person in this photo".......100 people would say "black". It's that simple, he LOOKS black so he is considered black.

Obama was elected because: (1) he got a high percentage of the vote from 'persons of color'
(2) the economic crash started during the Republican watch

If the unemployment figures stay roughly the same (or get better) he will be re-elected.

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Post by jackspratt » February 17, 2012, 4:27 pm

Another relevant test - had he been around then, what part of the bus would Obama have sat in during 1954 in Montgomery, Alabama?

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Post by LoveDaBlues » February 17, 2012, 4:33 pm

jackspratt wrote:Another relevant test - had he been around then, what part of the bus would Obama have sat in during 1954 in Montgomery, Alabama?
exactly. good to see someone on this thread can reduce the BS to common sense! =D>

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Post by randerson79 » February 17, 2012, 4:43 pm

randerson79 wrote:If you don't think this "leader" promotes division and class warfare in our Country watch this and think again.

Just to be clear. When I posted this it was NOT about race. It was about class warfare and the division of the rich and the working class.

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Post by KHONDAHM » February 17, 2012, 6:11 pm

I get another chuckle when I hear Republican supporters claiming Obama is promoting class warfare and such. In the breath (or should I say news cycle) before that charge, I recall them claiming he's a socialist. Which is it? lol! In theory, those who support unbridled capitalism - as claimed by the GOP - should SUPPORT division of the classes as that is the consequence of a small government society based upon capitalism...

GOP supporters: Pick a side. Not all sides. Well...unless you are Mitt Romney. lol!
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Post by merchant seaman » February 17, 2012, 6:28 pm

merchant seaman wrote:
KHONDAHM wrote:YAY!!! If precedent is anything to go by, then Newt should be the Republican nominee for President. Yessssssss!

He doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hell's microwave of winning in the General Election! Go Newt, go!

Mitt would have been the better worse choice because his Ken doll looks are 'sorta Presidential' and (I'm embarrassed to say) there are lots of American voters - millions - who vote based upon LOOKs.
Well KHONDAHM we can actually agree on something, Obama got elected because of the way he looks. Thank you for explaining that to all the members.
When are you going to respond to this statement you made, millions vote based upon LOOKS, Obama votes???

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Post by Ricohoc » February 17, 2012, 6:31 pm

LoveDaBlues wrote:Obama was elected because: (1) he got a high percentage of the vote from 'persons of color'
He did get a high percentage of the vote from minorities, but that wasn't why he was elected. Minorities only make up approximately 30% of the entire US population. Blacks and Hispanics are only about 26%. Minorities could not possibly have elected Barack Obama by themselves. White people had to have voted for him in large number for him to have won in 2008.

If he loses in 2012, it won't be because white people suddenly didn't like his skin color. It will be because he has had a record of failure.

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Post by merchant seaman » February 17, 2012, 6:42 pm

Ricohoc wrote:
LoveDaBlues wrote:Obama was elected because: (1) he got a high percentage of the vote from 'persons of color'

If he loses in 2012, it won't be because white people suddenly didn't like his skin color. It will be because he has had a record of failure.
Record of failure. You are !00% right. Jimmy Carter all over again. Sorry

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Post by KHONDAHM » February 18, 2012, 1:23 am

Why in the heck would I ever respond to a statement I made? I made the statement. No response from me is required. Perhaps you argue with yourself, but I most certainly do not argue with myself.
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Post by parrot » February 18, 2012, 1:38 am

Out of Iraq - check
Getting out of Afghanistan - check
OBL out of the picture - check
Most of al qaeda out of the picture - check
Health Care plan passed - check
GM back on its feet rather - check
Economy getting back on its feet - check
Qaddafi out of a job - check
Stimulus programs versus austerity programs (as done in UK) - check
Dodd-Frank reform - check
Repealed Don't Ask Don't Tell - check
Back in compliance with Geneva Convention - check
Established base on the moon - failure
Does anyone out there really wish we were under the same leadership that we had under the Bush years?

And, what's with the black, white, whatever thing? I'd question the voting credentials of anyone who even considers it as an issue.

At this point in time, I know what I'm marking on my secret ballot.

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Post by KHONDAHM » February 18, 2012, 1:54 am

Back on topic: Why oh why would the GOP ever think the Southern Strategy still works in the year 2012? Because the people running the show are stuck in a bygone era. The stances they have taken on issues such as immigration is a gimme for the Democrats. All the Demos need to do is educate the Latinos about what the GOP has been doing TO them and not FOR them and then get them to the polls. Same goes for the GOP's silly stances and legislation aimed at women's reproductive issues and birth control. It's 2012. Trying to slog to a win on a bygone platform of guns, gays, or gynecology won't work. The only thing the GOP could even hope to win on would be the economy, but they haven't presented any plan anywhere near viable. They either want to increase taxes on the majority of the electorate or they want to gut programs benefitting the majority of the electorate. Why? Because Obama has included their best reasonable ideas as compromises in the budget recently presented. The fever pitch anti-anything-Obama leaves them with nothing viable to present. The ideas they were FOR are already in his budget; and by doing so, Obama took all their ammo with which they might have been able to attack him on. It was a brilliant move. When debate time comes around, Obama just needs to point to his budget which the GOP is sure to not pass and say "It's in there."
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Post by KHONDAHM » February 18, 2012, 2:24 am

Taxes reduced for the majority of electorate - check
Equal pay for women legislation passed - check
Manufacturing jobs returning to America - check
Unemployment dropping - check
Deficit dropping - check
Auto industry thriving - check
Task force formed to go after those who caused the 2008 crash and staffed by REAL attack dogs - check
Consumer Protection Agency operational - check
Vastly improved Veteran services and programs - check
Free college in return for community or humanitarian service - check
Student loan reform - check
Wasteful government programs eliminated - check
Online transparency and simplified acces to government accountability information - check
Appointment of two highly qualified female Justices to SCOTUS - check
Transfoming our allied military conflict role from leader to supporter - check
Having the balls to keep Israel in its place - check
Creating, encouraging, and supporting the climate which is brining democracy to the Middle East - check
Making tangible progress in the development of alternative energy technologies - check
Drastically reducing the global nuclear weapons threat - check
Securing nuclear material around the world and eliminating the potential for it to be sold to terrorists - check

good grief, I could go on and on just from memory!

What has the GOP done? Tried to block the above and more...
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Post by parrot » February 18, 2012, 2:53 am

kd said: "The only thing the GOP could even hope to win on would be the economy"

I know you said that in jest. They've roadblocked virtually every program to get our economy back on its feet over the past 4 years. Their economic policies are the single issue that would keep me from voting Republican. Not that there's any shortage of other issues, but Republican economic policies are at the top of the list.

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Post by Laan Yaa Mo » February 18, 2012, 4:01 am

jackspratt wrote:Another relevant test - had he been around then, what part of the bus would Obama have sat in during 1954 in Montgomery, Alabama?
Most likely at the back of the bus; however, it really depended on the temperament of the driver, the attitude and colour of the passengers, etc. But, it would have been a very bold black person who intentionally tried to sit up near the driver or beside a white woman in Montgomery.

The same attitude probably applied most everywhere in the U.S.A. at that time whether in Alabama, Mississippi, Ohio or Indiana.
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Post by Laan Yaa Mo » February 18, 2012, 4:06 am

KHONDAHM wrote:Why oh why would the GOP ever think the Southern Strategy still works in the year 2012? "
What exactly is the Southern Strategy?

From the issues and positions you listed, it sounded like 'the Middle America Strategy' or those views held by many people in states like Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Ohio, Indiana, etc. not to mention the Dakotas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming and so on.
Give credit where credit is due, not just to the South.
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Post by Khun Paul » February 18, 2012, 7:58 am

Now apart from the race card which is a dead duck as far as I can ascertain, we now have the card that is raised by the R epublicans about Contraception.

When do Amnericans ( those with a brain ) realise that it is a womans right to decide what she is doing with her body not some religious bashing political party that decides whether or not she has a baby.

I agree that in some cases religion does pay a part in deciding about contraception ( like the Catholics although in the main many turn a blind eye to that ) , these days with the ever increasing cost of bringing up children to foist upon a woman the legal ramifications of going against what her party believes in about contraception just feels a rule/law too far.

A lont time ago it was an issue, nowadays no-one I know pays much attention to it, either the Pill ( if you are in a stable relationship) or a Condom is used due to other prevalent health risks both are considered contraception. So why would a political party do away with those acceptable methods when it is saying ok helth risks notwithstanding wew do not agree. if the future of America is decided on whether Contraception is allowed or not , then I pity Americans .

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Post by Ricohoc » February 18, 2012, 9:42 am

Khun Paul wrote:Now apart from the race card which is a dead duck as far as I can ascertain, we now have the card that is raised by the R epublicans about Contraception.

When do Amnericans ( those with a brain ) realise that it is a womans right to decide what she is doing with her body not some religious bashing political party that decides whether or not she has a baby.

I agree that in some cases religion does pay a part in deciding about contraception ( like the Catholics although in the main many turn a blind eye to that ) , these days with the ever increasing cost of bringing up children to foist upon a woman the legal ramifications of going against what her party believes in about contraception just feels a rule/law too far.

A lont time ago it was an issue, nowadays no-one I know pays much attention to it, either the Pill ( if you are in a stable relationship) or a Condom is used due to other prevalent health risks both are considered contraception. So why would a political party do away with those acceptable methods when it is saying ok helth risks notwithstanding wew do not agree. if the future of America is decided on whether Contraception is allowed or not , then I pity Americans .
It would be nice if you'd do some research before you pontificate. The contraception issue is not about Republicans not wanting women to have it. There are numerous Republicans who are pro-choice -- the nice way to say that they're in favor of abortion.

The contraception issue is about religious groups (Jews, Christians, Catholics) and the religions themselves being forced to provide contraception, which is against their teachings. It is the government forcing their doctrine on people and violates the First Amendment to the Constitution.

A prescription of birth control pills is about $12 per month. There is no shortage in receiving them, and I have never ever heard of anyone being denied them. This issue has not been introduced by the Secular Left to provide birth control as much as it is being used as another intrusion by imposing big government mandates into private decisions.

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