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Postby parrot » February 18, 2012, 2:53 am

kd said: "The only thing the GOP could even hope to win on would be the economy"

I know you said that in jest. They've roadblocked virtually every program to get our economy back on its feet over the past 4 years. Their economic policies are the single issue that would keep me from voting Republican. Not that there's any shortage of other issues, but Republican economic policies are at the top of the list.
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Postby Laan Yaa Mo » February 18, 2012, 4:01 am

jackspratt wrote:Another relevant test - had he been around then, what part of the bus would Obama have sat in during 1954 in Montgomery, Alabama?


Most likely at the back of the bus; however, it really depended on the temperament of the driver, the attitude and colour of the passengers, etc. But, it would have been a very bold black person who intentionally tried to sit up near the driver or beside a white woman in Montgomery.

The same attitude probably applied most everywhere in the U.S.A. at that time whether in Alabama, Mississippi, Ohio or Indiana.
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Postby Laan Yaa Mo » February 18, 2012, 4:06 am

KHONDAHM wrote:Why oh why would the GOP ever think the Southern Strategy still works in the year 2012? "


What exactly is the Southern Strategy?

From the issues and positions you listed, it sounded like 'the Middle America Strategy' or those views held by many people in states like Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Ohio, Indiana, etc. not to mention the Dakotas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming and so on.
Give credit where credit is due, not just to the South.
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Postby Khun Paul » February 18, 2012, 7:58 am

Now apart from the race card which is a dead duck as far as I can ascertain, we now have the card that is raised by the R epublicans about Contraception.

When do Amnericans ( those with a brain ) realise that it is a womans right to decide what she is doing with her body not some religious bashing political party that decides whether or not she has a baby.

I agree that in some cases religion does pay a part in deciding about contraception ( like the Catholics although in the main many turn a blind eye to that ) , these days with the ever increasing cost of bringing up children to foist upon a woman the legal ramifications of going against what her party believes in about contraception just feels a rule/law too far.

A lont time ago it was an issue, nowadays no-one I know pays much attention to it, either the Pill ( if you are in a stable relationship) or a Condom is used due to other prevalent health risks both are considered contraception. So why would a political party do away with those acceptable methods when it is saying ok helth risks notwithstanding wew do not agree. if the future of America is decided on whether Contraception is allowed or not , then I pity Americans .
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Postby Ricohoc » February 18, 2012, 9:42 am

Khun Paul wrote:Now apart from the race card which is a dead duck as far as I can ascertain, we now have the card that is raised by the R epublicans about Contraception.

When do Amnericans ( those with a brain ) realise that it is a womans right to decide what she is doing with her body not some religious bashing political party that decides whether or not she has a baby.

I agree that in some cases religion does pay a part in deciding about contraception ( like the Catholics although in the main many turn a blind eye to that ) , these days with the ever increasing cost of bringing up children to foist upon a woman the legal ramifications of going against what her party believes in about contraception just feels a rule/law too far.

A lont time ago it was an issue, nowadays no-one I know pays much attention to it, either the Pill ( if you are in a stable relationship) or a Condom is used due to other prevalent health risks both are considered contraception. So why would a political party do away with those acceptable methods when it is saying ok helth risks notwithstanding wew do not agree. if the future of America is decided on whether Contraception is allowed or not , then I pity Americans .


It would be nice if you'd do some research before you pontificate. The contraception issue is not about Republicans not wanting women to have it. There are numerous Republicans who are pro-choice -- the nice way to say that they're in favor of abortion.

The contraception issue is about religious groups (Jews, Christians, Catholics) and the religions themselves being forced to provide contraception, which is against their teachings. It is the government forcing their doctrine on people and violates the First Amendment to the Constitution.

A prescription of birth control pills is about $12 per month. There is no shortage in receiving them, and I have never ever heard of anyone being denied them. This issue has not been introduced by the Secular Left to provide birth control as much as it is being used as another intrusion by imposing big government mandates into private decisions.
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Postby Ricohoc » February 18, 2012, 9:45 am

parrot wrote:I know you said that in jest. They've roadblocked virtually every program to get our economy back on its feet over the past 4 years. Their economic policies are the single issue that would keep me from voting Republican. Not that there's any shortage of other issues, but Republican economic policies are at the top of the list.


First, I'd like to see your list of roadblocks. What specifically have they prevented?

Second, to what Republican economic policies do you object?
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Postby KHONDAHM » February 18, 2012, 4:23 pm

Laan Yaa Mo wrote:What exactly is the Southern Strategy?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Strategy
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Postby KHONDAHM » February 18, 2012, 4:37 pm

Ricohoc wrote:It would be nice if you'd do some research before you pontificate. The contraception issue is not about Republicans not wanting women to have it. There are numerous Republicans who are pro-choice -- the nice way to say that they're in favor of abortion.

The contraception issue is about religious groups (Jews, Christians, Catholics) and the religions themselves being forced to provide contraception, which is against their teachings. It is the government forcing their doctrine on people and violates the First Amendment to the Constitution.

A prescription of birth control pills is about $12 per month. There is no shortage in receiving them, and I have never ever heard of anyone being denied them. This issue has not been introduced by the Secular Left to provide birth control as much as it is being used as another intrusion by imposing big government mandates into private decisions.

Ricohoc...stop trying to correct people who are already correct. K. Paul's post is certainly correct on this issue. YOU may want to read up on what the Republicans just did in Virginia - as just one example (and there are many) of what K. Paul is talking about. In short, it is now the law of the land in Virginia that any woman seeking an abortion MUST submit to an ultrasound probe being shoved up their vagina. That is an outrageous example of what he is talking about. Neither the woman nor the doctor have a choice - it is now the LAW!

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-rachel-m ... 3#46391123
All relevant and supportive of K. Paul's post. What I refer to begins at the 05:40 mark.

Ricohoc wrote:It would be nice if you'd do some research before you pontificate

Yes, it would. :roll:
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Postby Ricohoc » February 18, 2012, 5:23 pm

It is the government forcing their doctrine on people and violates the First Amendment to the Constitution.


It is not about any political groups -- or Republicans -- not wanting women to have anything. It is about government forcing their will on people against their wishes and beliefs.

Just as I am against ALL bailouts and entitlements, I am against ALL big government intrusion in private matters. I consider abortion to be a private matter (even though I don't personally agree with it), and for that reason should be done with private funds and done within the private confines of patient, family and doctor.

Khondahm, I thought you liked big government intrusion? What happened? You only like it when Liberals are forcing their agenda on the rest of us?

PS - How about posting the LAW instead of Madow's propaganda on MSNBC? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Ricohoc » February 18, 2012, 5:46 pm

As usual, certain individuals leave out important components in their political claims. This contraception issue and the changing of the topic to Virginia's ultrasound law is no different.

Here is a link to the official legislation: http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504 ... +sum+SB484

Here is the reason for the legislation:
to determine gestation age
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For those unfamiliar with abortion law in the US, gestation age must be determined, since it illegal to abort beyond a certain period of time.
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Postby jackspratt » February 18, 2012, 6:05 pm

Ricohoc wrote:For those unfamiliar with abortion law in the US, gestation age must be determined, since it illegal to abort beyond a certain period of time.


If that is the case, how has gestation age been determined in the many years preceding this new legislation?

Has it involved invasive body penetration?
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Postby merchant seaman » February 18, 2012, 6:25 pm

Sure glad I live in Thailand. Retired, money in the bank, and a pension. Could really care less about Republicans or Democrats, they sure as hell don't care about you and me. Please someone, even khondahm, explain to me why someone spends millions and millions to get a job that pays, what is it now? 300,000 a year. Democrate, Republican belief who you want they are all in it for the money and the power, bottom line. If they were patriotic they would join the military.
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Postby Ricohoc » February 18, 2012, 6:36 pm

jackspratt wrote:
Ricohoc wrote:For those unfamiliar with abortion law in the US, gestation age must be determined, since it illegal to abort beyond a certain period of time.


If that is the case, how has gestation age been determined in the many years preceding this new legislation?

Has it involved invasive body penetration?


Got no idea, jack, and I couldn't care less. I'm only providing facts, not MSNBC propaganda.

My issue is an over-reaching elitist big government -- federal or state -- regardless of party or situation when it violates individual liberty.

You see, this is the kind of crap that occurs when government gets involved and tax revenue is used. It is the federal courts that made abortion legal and did not allow states to determine their own abortion laws. It opens the door for all types of intrusiveness. This is just another example.

I will add this: What the Commonwealth of Virginia does is between them and Virginia's citizens. This law doesn't affect all US citizens, and I'm not even sure what citizens of Virginia it will affect. All states have the authority to enact legislation within their borders (see the 9th and 10th Amendments). That said, I am still against any over-reach that violates individual sovereignty/liberty.
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Postby KHONDAHM » February 18, 2012, 6:40 pm

Ricohoc wrote:As usual, certain individuals leave out important components in their political claims. This contraception issue and the changing of the topic to Virginia's ultrasound law is no different.

Here is a link to the official legislation: http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504 ... +sum+SB484

Here is the reason for the legislation:
to determine gestation age
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For those unfamiliar with abortion law in the US, gestation age must be determined, since it illegal to abort beyond a certain period of time.

First, it would be nice if your link worked. Of course - it doesn't. Surprise. Surprise.

Second, the legislation is representative of Republicans' hypocrisy on the issue of intrusive government. What could possibly be more exemplary than the hand of Virginia's Republican government shoving a probe up a woman's vagina - against her will (!!!)? The "reason" does not matter. If it is medically unnecessary and against her will, then it's blatant legislated R-A-P-E.

I am sure a case will make it to SCOTUS and the law struck down as unconstitutional followed by a whole lot of civil suits.
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Postby Ricohoc » February 18, 2012, 6:51 pm

First, the link works fine for me. I just went there again.

Second, I am not a Republican, and I have great disdain for most of them. Republicans are part of big government. Conservatives and Republicans are not the same thing. Conservatives are consistent in their fight against torment and tyranny.

Big government is bad, KD, regardless of the name of the tyrant.
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