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Re: Police Crowd Control at the G20 Summit

Postby beer monkey » April 20, 2009, 7:37 pm

Cuff em and stuff em.....i see your point and agree, but it may make matters worse and things could escalate in certain situations.

There is always a protest in London ... 24hrs a day around parliamant..if its not one thing its another.
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Re: Police Crowd Control at the G20 Summit

Postby Ter » April 20, 2009, 7:37 pm

I must admit seeing sri lankans block the highway in the capital of england does anger me. The abuse of freedom of speech and assembly laws at a time when the police are under scrutiny is par for them.
And the coverage will be greater as the report already shows.I would like to believe this will not take a race route eventually. I will be watching newsnight tonight.
With regard to those protesters their rights should be handcuffed to their lefts.
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Re: Police Crowd Control at the G20 Summit

Postby BKKSTAN » April 20, 2009, 7:59 pm

beer monkey wrote:Cuff em and stuff em.....i see your point and agree, but it may make matters worse and things could escalate in certain situations.

There is always a protest in London ... 24hrs a day around parliamant..if its not one thing its another.


Nothing wrong with demonstrations and protests!Just obey the laws and the authorities must do the same!

I don't see how it could make it worse then never knowing when mob violence will happen because they think that only a few might be detained!
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Re: Police Crowd Control at the G20 Summit

Postby laphanphon » April 20, 2009, 8:32 pm

they were obviously unprepared, way understaffed. i see the G 20 went out of their way to provide security. what amazes me, as what just happen here, if you are going to have a 'meeting' and know it's going to be protested, have it at a place you can control. if going to have in public with confrontations, have staffing, water hoses, and busses to arrest and detain. make public announcement to disperse, if not, please sit down and act in a non threatening way, everyone else gets arrested................and have some damn horses, now that controls a crowd.

i may agree with the protest, but not the police tactics we see. police, should be able to withstand verbal abuse, if allowed in the country. no need to bash a chickies face, then baton her legs, don't think she was much of a threat, and all he did was fire everyone else, a normal reaction. no, i don't think the protest should have the rights they exhibited. i'm sure, maybe, they applied and were denied a protest/parade permit, thus their presence was illegal. poor judgement/responses on both sides.

a country side villa, chopper the participants in, unannounced location, is that so hard. doesn't jive with the big boys club and murdoch news of civil unrest and more restrictive laws........1984....
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Re: Police Crowd Control at the G20 Summit

Postby beer monkey » April 20, 2009, 8:43 pm

Agree if the protests where peaceful things would be good....its usually the small minority that get things moving then the snowball effect, these trouble makers should be picked out from the off and delt with...(usually only get a slap on the wrist anyway)

I don't see how it could make it worse

Just seeing it from the police side...if they where to go in and start dragging people into the back of a van..(which i agree thats what should be done if the protests step out of line) it may well fuel trouble...More police More deterrants..dogs, Cannons, Horses

Sri-lankans(or what ever country it maybe at the time) blocking the roads in the Capital...!!
Would us 'farangs' make a protest and block the roads in sukhumvit.....or Pakistan or Sri-lanka...didn't think so.
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Re: Police Crowd Control at the G20 Summit

Postby konstabel els » April 20, 2009, 10:23 pm

I got booted up backside, collared by the neck and thrown all over the shop by the police, whilst supporting west ham - home and away , and I honestly hadn' t done nothing wrong - but we never hated the police for it, everybody knew they had thousand of fans to control, as one copper said to me and friends " your either going in the ground / going home or ****** nicked " - wonder would 'St ' max clifford take my case up :-k
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Re: Police Crowd Control at the G20 Summit

Postby beer monkey » April 20, 2009, 11:23 pm

Well you do look like you have been bashed around a bit judging by your avatar.. :lol:
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Re: Police Crowd Control at the G20 Summit

Postby konstabel els » April 20, 2009, 11:30 pm

I am what is known as ' Pre - Op' nowdays - thank you very much BM - Bitch
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Re: Police Crowd Control at the G20 Summit

Postby Ter » April 20, 2009, 11:33 pm

Are you sure !! :D
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Re: Police Crowd Control at the G20 Summit

Postby konstabel els » April 21, 2009, 12:21 am

Ter wrote:Are you sure !! :D


Yeah , well just a few minor adjustments
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Re: Police Crowd Control at the G20 Summit

Postby beer monkey » April 21, 2009, 3:40 am

Looooookin good konstabel L's....sure you could control a G20 crowd on your Jack Jones.

Not G20 but The Sri-lankan protests...hopefully not too much off topic.
Anyway just a bit more about the Sri-lankan protests in Parliamant Sq London......getting a little bit rowdy, still the police are on top of it...maybe they will check a few Visa's in some passports whilst they are at it.
BBC video link...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8008044.stm
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Re: Police Crowd Control at the G20 Summit

Postby Brian Davis » April 21, 2009, 7:00 am

Freedom of speech, peaceful demonstrating, no problem. Violent protest, destruction of property, fighting police and disruption of everyday life, no.

The police are on a hiding to nothing, aren’t they? An officer goes over the top and the media latches on to it. I appreciate they’re trained in crowd control, but look at times what they are expected to tolerate in demos, which are often infiltrated by anarchists whose ONLY aims are having a go at authority, confrontation and destruction of property.
Mistakes will happen in such an arena.

A diversion, but can posters recall the police officer, back in UK, who was criticised by firing on a known violent, druggie who pulled what appeared to a pistol (so it turned out to be a replica toy gun).

Partly covered in another topic, but I do get pi**ed off by reading of protestors, who may/may not be British citizens, causing problems over happenings back in their countries of origin.

One of the major problems in Thailand, amidst all the corruption, is that there is no respect/trust in the police. A reasonable society has to have respect for law and order.

I caught a programme ‘World at War’ the other day, which partly dealt with strikes in UK during Second World War. Well, there was a sturdy police sergeant who was seen to be swinging left/right hooks like Muhammed Ali! I’m told years ago, the ordinary person had respect for the police. One can imagine what would happen to that sergeant these days.
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Re: Police Crowd Control at the G20 Summit

Postby jackspratt » April 21, 2009, 2:01 pm

Brian Davis wrote:One of the major problems in Thailand, amidst all the corruption, is that there is no respect/trust in the police. A reasonable society has to have respect for law and order.


Thais have very good and justifiable reasons for neither trusting nor respecting their police.

Just because you put on a uniform doesn't mean you are automatically entitled to either.
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Re: Police Crowd Control at the G20 Summit

Postby Khun Paul » April 21, 2009, 4:32 pm

Well my comments may come as a surprise to many having been taught crowd control and riot control the twoo are not the same, one assumes the crowd is what it is, riots on the other hand are completely different.
however with the british govt dumbing dowmn the role of the Police officer and many now consider it a job not a vocation the standard may I say, is not the smae as it was. hence the lack of self control.
I am sure they were provoked but not in a dangerous way and the training could be better.
it is the same you pay peanuts you get monkeys, many of my ex-colleagues are talking about the apparant completel lack of control but it is the MET who are accountable only to the Home Sec, unlike the county forces whoa re accountable to a police authority.
jacqui is no angel neither are some of her police.
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Re: Police Crowd Control at the G20 Summit

Postby beer monkey » April 21, 2009, 4:55 pm

Crowds can easily turn into Riots.
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