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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » June 20, 2009, 9:40 am

Legislators from both parties have not only questioned the Fed’s past performance and challenged its future capabilities, but have also expressed concern that the central bank will be politicized more than it already is and turned into a bailout instrument of the executive branch.


The new administration's plan, which includes greatly expanding the power of the Federal Reserve, isn't playing so well in either party. I think they're still a bit upset about the sweeping powers they gave to the TARP bailout and the misuse of those funds since.

More Powerful Fed? Many in Congress Don't Seem to Like It
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby arjay » June 20, 2009, 10:39 am

Git, I've had a quick look through your Aberdeen Asset Management Funds, from the link you gave:
http://www.aberdeen-asset.co.th/aam.nsf ... prospectus

I note several of the Funds invest predominantly in Thailand, which wouldn't be my ideal preference. Though that said there are International, European, and Emerging Market type Funds, as well as a couple of Mixed Assets class Funds, e.g:
Aberdeen Flexible Capital Fund.

http://www.aberdeen-asset.co.th/pdfuplo ... penElement

I personally liked the Aberdeen World Opportunities Fund, as it is a Global/International Fund, and invests in a wide spread of sectors as well as countries. It is an Equity Fund. I noted that many of the companies in which it is invested are strong players and household names in their field/countries.

http://www.aberdeen-asset.co.th/pdfuplo ... penElement

IF you particularly want to focus on a fund or funds investing in Thailand, then I liked the Aberdeen Smart Capital Retirement Fund:

http://www.aberdeen-asset.co.th/pdfuplo ... penElement

.... or indeed the "Aberdeen Flexible Capital Fund" - Mixed Asset Class Fund, I referred to above.

By clicking on "click here" for "Factsheet" on the link you previously gave, it opens up a detailed analysis of each fund, and shows what sectors, countries, and companies each invest in, which is very useful information.

I personally would spread my risk as wide as possible by going for International Funds. IF on the other hand you wanted to back your own hunches on particular companies in LOS, then you wouldn't really be able to do that through the type of Funds above. Instead, I would look to open a share-dealing type account, (where a Manager acts as your nominee) and stock pick into that. Though I really wouldn't recommend doing that unless you know what you are doing AND maintain a very strong hands on knowledge of the companies you invest in.
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby bumper » June 20, 2009, 3:48 pm

Thanks Arjay
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » June 21, 2009, 10:16 am

1. The Dow and S&P 500 fell to sessions lows today, weighed by weak energy shares as crude oil extended declines to near $69 a barrel. The NASDAQ remained in positive territory, boosted by Microsoft after Goldman Sachs added shares of the company to its "conviction buy" list.

Dow ----- 8539.13 - 16.47
Oil ----- 69.72 - 1.65
Gold ----- 934.70 + 1.64

2. The U.S. Government announced yesterday it will auction a record $ 104 B in debt next week. Despite obvious warning signs that the world has had its fill of American paper, the Treasury will forge ahead. The debt markets will be interesting to watch next week.

3. A "Cash-for clunkers" has gotten past the Senate and is now clear to be signed by the President. They are referring to it as a stimulus.

4. A house panel has subpoenaed documents that lawmakers say could shed new light on Fed Chairman Bernanke's role in Bank of America's acquisition of Merrill Lynch.

5. The unemployment rate in the West jumped over 10% last month for the first time in that region in 25 years. Eight states set new record highs and Nebraska and Vermont were the only 2 states not reporting increases.

6. Stocks in the news today:
Bank America ----- 13.22 + .32
GE ----- 12.10 + .13
Acacia Research ----- 7.00 + .32
Microsoft ----- 24.07 + .57
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby arjay » June 21, 2009, 12:40 pm

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/investing/ ... age_id=166
Is there a gas or oil profit in the pipeline?
Charlotte Beugge, Money Mail
17 June 2009

The wildly fluctuating price of oil may deter investors, but could it be a good time to get into funds investing in black gold and gas?

Currently, the price is close to $70. But just a year ago, the price was $147 - and in December, it was down to only $32.

Correspondingly, funds in this sector look dire over a year, but over the past three months, they are all showing huge returns.

Long term, the prospects for oil look good. At the moment, the developing world's demand for oil remains high.

And if the developed world emerges from recession and returns to manufacturing, then it, too, will need more oil to power industry.

However, even though there is currently enough oil to go around - figures released last week said there were 1.25 trillion barrels of oil reserves at the end of 2008, 246bn of which are in Saudi Arabia - oil is a finite resource and, as supply falls, the price will rise.

'For the first time this year, demand for oil from the developing world exceeded that from the developed world,' says Mark Dampier, of adviser Hargreaves Lansdown.

'If we are coming out of a recession, then the oil price can go only one way - and that's up.'

Mr Dampier likes two investment funds for those looking to invest in oil: CF Junior Oils and Investec Global Energy. But he points out that a good Russian fund such as Neptune Russia & Greater Russia is heavily invested in oil and gas (28% in the case of this fund).

Oil is not the only energy resource investment managers are keen on at the moment - indeed, the gas market is potentially more attractive. There's an odd situation at the moment. While gas and oil prices usually mirror each other, that isn't happening.

Jonathan Waghorn, global energy portfolio manager at Investec Asset Management, explains that on an energy basis, oil should trade at six times the gas price - but currently, it's trading at 16 times more: an unprecedented level.

'The gas market is very different to the oil market,' he says. 'Oil is traded the world over, but as gas is expensive and difficult to transport, it tends to trade on three markets - Europe and Russia, Asia and the US - and it's the US market we are most interested in. In the past 18 months, demand has declined so there's an oversupply.

'We think demand will increase as domestic markets and industry move more towards the cheapest form of energy, which is gas.' His fund, Investec Global Energy, has stakes in US gas producers XTO, Quicksilver and Chesapeake Energy.'
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby arjay » June 21, 2009, 12:58 pm

From The Sunday Times
June 21, 2009
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/b ... 545345.ece
Xstrata seeks merger with Anglo American
Mining giant approaches arch-rival with proposal to create one of the world's biggest natural resources companies

The mining giant Xstrata has approached arch-rival Anglo American about a £41 billion merger that would create one of the world’s biggest natural-resources companies.
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby bumper » June 21, 2009, 1:51 pm

Oh well back to investments. I really think and have always thought a quick recovery was not possible anywhere, Frankly I think we are lucky things are not worse then what we see today. No matter who was at the helm or who is at fault thats all history and changes nothing.

My goal is to be debt free so I can live comfortably on 25.

The problem I see now all the fluctuations that we see are seldom based on reality, but instead what people think they will be. Seems to be a move on that effects the dollar based on what some want to see rather then he reality that such a move will hurt China, with all the dollars it holds.

I think over the last few decades we have become used to quick fixes, that and greed got us in this mess, worldwide in the first place. Of course the biggest losses are in the states. Simple it's the biggest economy.

We have seen this coming here in Thailand for about three years now, shame on yuo if you didn't so the best you could to prepare for the worst. Going somewhere else will not make things better. Thailand is not the only country with problems they all have their own.

It is what it is one has to adjust not much else can be one for a while.

Better times will come lets hope it' not another house of cards. But when the real recovery starts begin your count down. Ten years from the there will be another recession. It's not going to make a darn bit of difference what the world reserve currency is.
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby old-timer » June 23, 2009, 4:33 am

Index Last Change
FTSE 100 4,234 -2.57%
DOW 8,339 -2.35%
S&P 500 893.04 -3.06%
FTSE Eurofirst 300 837.22 -2.83%
Nikkei 9,826 +0.41%


There is only one showing a fraction of a plus amongst them, the earlier gains in the western markets seem to have been short lived - or is this a blip?
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby bumper » June 23, 2009, 4:47 am

Ok not knowing anythign about this, with the blip is it better now then a month ago? In other words did erase all the gain we saw or a portion of them?
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby bumper » June 23, 2009, 5:08 am

Sorry no edit again, this answers some of my question. Some are still at a higher then they were in March. I " think " this is a bit a like currencies some days are good some are bad. Unless you really know what your doing and I don't have them means to day trade which I don't. It would seem better to just leave things alone and let ride the roll coaster.

I'm not educated enough to be moving things every time there is a bit of a slide. I think the day of instant gratification are over at least in the short term. Mine will be a ten year plan, with money I really won't miss done is small monthly increments.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... Ng.FOkoSYY

Another peice of the puzzle it may create buying opportunities, Wall Street was completly destroyed once in the geat depression and it cam back, this will to. IMHO

You know I have always thought Great Depression was only an American problem I was dead wrong.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... aNom_itEAo
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » June 23, 2009, 7:20 am

1. Major stock indexes retreated by more than 2% today sending the Dow to its lowest level this month after the World Bank estimated the global economy will shrink 2.9 % in 2009. It had previously predicted a 1.7% decline.

Dow ----- 8338.78 - 200.95
Oil ----- 67.06 - 2.49
Gold ----- 921.99 - 12.07

2. Lexus, Toyota Motor Corp's luxury line was the top brand in the J.D. Power Initial quality study released today. Initial quality study released today. Porsche was #2, followed by Cadillac, Hyundai and Honda. The study measures mechanical and design problems in the first 90 days of ownership. The study also showed that GM, Ford and Chrysler have made strides in vehicle quality but still lag behind their foreign competitors.

3. President Obama today welcomed the pharmaceutical industry's agreement to help close a gap in Medicare's drug coverage. They have pledged $80 Billion over the next decade to help reduce the cost of drugs for seniors.

4. Stocks in the news today.
Ford ----- 5.38 - .34
GM ----- 1.19 - .11
Toyota ----- 74.79 - 1.82
GE ----- 11.52 -.58
Home Depot ----- 23.24 - .28
Bank America ----- 11.98 - 1.24

5. Here's some trivia. Who's the biggest borrower today? The U.S., of course. At 12% of GDP, the US deficit is more than twice as large as that of France. The US already owes Japan and China as much as Germany owed its former enemies in reparations and that's adjusted to today's money. And the US keeps borrowing more. This year, the US will borrow $1.3 Trillion.
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Re: Some news for investors

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git wrote:Ok not knowing anythign about this, with the blip is it better now then a month ago? In other words did erase all the gain we saw or a portion of them?


looks like all the gains are being erased
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby bumper » June 23, 2009, 12:19 pm

Wel certianly the recent ones, I think. But, some may still be ahead of the game say from March. It's a you thats for sure. It's like true Brit said yuo atch it evveryday and have money in it, it would drive you nuts. For me it;s aboit learning so I watch closley and learn from you guys.
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » June 23, 2009, 1:01 pm

I have read a lot of reports that tout either a 'V' recovery (which is what it looked like until last week), and some others who thought the recovery would be more of a 'W' shaped chart.

It's looking more and more like 'W' based on last week and the outlook this week.
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby tigerryan » June 23, 2009, 7:32 pm

If you can go to Yahoo hit the finance tab then hit the Asia market tab pull up the Nikkei 225 chart and then hit max time button for the chart and have a look at Japans "recovery" since 1985. I think it is the best tool for visual types to help temper your market expectations. The degree of government intervention we have experienced, well Its all been done before...
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