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Re: Some news for investors

Postby bumper » July 3, 2009, 6:46 pm

Not the first time California operated on IOU's but I think this time it's going to be longer.
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » July 3, 2009, 10:11 pm

git wrote:Not the first time California operated on IOU's but I think this time it's going to be longer.

Yes, Gov. Davis was recalled by voters over this same issue. That's how Arnold was able to run and be elected. Wonder if the Californians will call in their chips this time, too?
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby BobHelm » July 3, 2009, 11:16 pm

From memory Gov. Davis (& the California people) had been royally screwed by that paragon of capitalistic virtue - Enron....
Everybody that has seen an Arnie movie knows that he never rescues the true & the brave until all looks completely lost, just before the credits appear... will they hold the faith..... :D
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » July 4, 2009, 12:07 am

BobHelm wrote:From memory Gov. Davis (& the California people) had been royally screwed by that paragon of capitalistic virtue - Enron....

Actually, I think it was overspending, and Americans would not agree (and voiced their objections loudly) to Congress bailing out California.
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby Harold » July 4, 2009, 12:09 am

Hav e they got flooding in californa?
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby bumper » July 4, 2009, 6:17 am

Well I'm American, from California and I agree. Cost of living had gotten so high there that unless they paid civil servants enough they couldn't attract job seekers. A small house in a safe area 400K easy. I'm talking Los Angeles and most larger cities. Some people were commuting over 200 miles a day to get a house on the income they made. Wonder how much California had with Bernie
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » July 4, 2009, 7:30 pm

According to this article, cash is still king. There are trillions of dollars on the investment sidelines and there seem to be indications that it won't be entering the market quickly.

All Business: Cash is King for Investors

Cash is King for Investors
By RACHEL BECK

NEW YORK (AP) - That old saying "cash is king" certainly rings true these days. Investors can't seem to get enough of it, which ultimately could be bad news for the stock market and the economy.

In the past, investors would cling to cash until the market's prospects brightened and then money would pour back into stocks. That's just what the bulls today are hoping will drive a surge on Wall Street in the months ahead.

But the shock of the financial crisis - which have made leverage and risk-taking dirty words - may be changing all that. Even with today's minuscule returns, cash seems to have become a sought-after asset class among investors who intend to keep it as a part of their portfolios for the long term.

Watching this play out firsthand is Jack Albin, chief investment officer at Harris Private Bank in Chicago. In sizing up the outlook, he has to balance what the past tells him about cash tending to move back into the market and the cautionary tone that he's hearing from the bank's clients.

Historical data he has crunched shows that whenever assets in money market mutual funds - which are low-risk, highly liquid investments - exceeded 25 percent of the market capitalization of the Standard & Poor's 500 index, stocks have rallied over the following two years.

This ratio jumped to an almost-unheard of level of more than 60 percent on March 9, almost triple the median level in the early years of this decade, for two reasons. Money market fund totals have surged 30 percent since the stock market peaked in October 2007, and by early March the S&P 500's market cap had plunged 57 percent from its high point in 2007.

Today, that ratio has narrowed to about 45 percent, primarily because of a recent rebound in stocks. There is $3.7 trillion sitting in money market mutual funds right now, and the market cap of the S&P 500 is about $8 trillion, up from a March low of $5.9 trillion.

Albin considers the 45 percent level still to be unusual - and a potential source of fuel for further stock gains if investors choose to redeploy their low-yielding cash.

"If the stock market keeps trending higher and corporate earnings numbers progress, some investors might feel left out and decide to buy again," Albin said. "That is driven by human nature."

But there is recent evidence from some big-name investors that argues otherwise, at least on the margins. The California Public Employees' Retirement System, also known as CalPERS, announced June 15 that it had boosted the target cash exposure of its $183 billion investment portfolio from zero to 2 percent.

That helps explain why Albin is cautioning against counting on a stampede out of cash and into stocks, especially after talking to his banks' clients. They've been burned by the bear market and worry about having enough cash - especially those who invested in things like auction-rate securities that turned out not to be as easily accessible as they thought. Since credit markets remain tight, many are also finding it harder to borrow or raise money.

So they are clinging to their cash, especially in plain-vanilla accounts like money market funds
, which now yield on average only 1.3 percent, according to Bankrate.com.

Albin has started giving a presentation to clients titled "Cash is an Asset Class." He discusses how investors' experiences in 2008 called into question two underpinnings of investment management - buy and hold and diversification. As a result, he sees many investors viewing cash as an important asset to have "in an environment where you need to protect yourself."

Albin's thinking jibes with what David Rosenberg, chief economist and strategist at the Canadian wealth management firm Gluskin Sheff, has been telling his clients.

Even though there is a mountain of cash on the sidelines, he says it is being deployed tactically, "seeing as demand for liquidity is running at very high rates at every level of the economy."

Rosenberg points to the record number of dividend cuts by S&P 500 companies over the last 12 months - 1,043 of them, according to S&P. That's evidence corporations are hoarding cash so that they can fund operations, buy other companies or to ensure they can satisfy their debt refinancing needs going forward.

The end result is that stock investors are seeing their cash flow squeezed. Since 1955, the average has been 15 dividend increases for every decrease. Now, it's five increases for every six decreases, according to S&P.

Shifting investor sentiment is also reflected in the surge in the personal savings rate, which was hovering near zero in early 2008 but soared to 6.9 percent in May. That was the highest rate since 1993.

Even with the massive government stimulus program, Americans are choosing to bolster their nest eggs rather than spend. According to Rosenberg's calculations, the total stimulus from the Obama administration came to $163 billion at an annual rate in May, but consumer spending only increased at an annual rate of $25 billion.

So long as the cash just stays on the sidelines, there won't be much fuel to propel stocks and the economy forward.
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » July 5, 2009, 1:19 pm

More evidence of Americans holding onto their cash and fear for what the government impact on their economics will be in the future.

June Jobs Tell a Bad Story

But for all the Fed's stimulus, which has had a salutary effect on the banking crisis, the lags are long and variable. And as former Dallas Fed head Robert McTeer has written, much of the central bank's balance-sheet expansion is being hoarded by commercial banks, with banks holding about $800 billion more than what they're required to hold. Until these excess reserves come way down, the impact of the Fed's monetary stimulus will be more muted than has traditionally been the case in Milton Freidman's monetarist model.

And as Washington economist Bruce Bartlett has written, Obama's $800 billion fiscal-stimulus package has yet to stimulate. Bartlett notes that 60 percent of the stimulus package goes to transfer payments and tax credits with no incentive effects. Meanwhile, the rest of the package, aimed at public works that might produce growth, is spending out at a snail's pace.

As an old-fashioned supply-side guy who is out of date with contemporary Washington policies, I would add that Obama's biggest mistake was not cutting marginal tax rates for individuals, businesses and investors. Instead of the fiscal profligacy that is driving spending and borrowing sky-high, lower tax rates with true incentive-reward effects would have reignited the animal spirits that are sagging so badly.

But Obama's temporary tax credits and social spending offer no growth effects. At the same time, the government's fiscal nymphomania has scared everyone into thinking the United States is going bankrupt. The president himself has said there's no money left. It's scary enough to keep your savings under the mattress.

And if you add all the talk of nationalizing health care and energy (cap-and-trade) to the rest of Bailout Nation, it's not hard to understand why people are shying from risk.

Stocks are the single-best barometer of our nation's future economic health, and the stock market began to rise in early March. But over the past month, with all these new big-government tax-and-regulatory threats, the stock rally has stalled. And the June jobs report caused an immediate 2 percent sell-off for equities.

I do the best I can to be optimistic about our nation's future.

But realistically, the current picture is not particularly good.
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » July 6, 2009, 9:39 am

Heard on the news yesterday that with the national debt in the US over $11 trillion, every man, woman and child in America now owes $37,000 each -- and the spending and plans for spending haven't stopped yet.
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » July 7, 2009, 9:09 am

1. Stocks pulled out of the doldrums late in the day after a trade group reported that its index of service industry activity rose to its best level in 9 months.

Dow ----- 8324.87 + 44.13
Oil ----- 64.00 - 2.73
Gold ----- 924.14 - 8.11

2. According to the Wall Street Journal this morning, there is a lively debate surfacing about whether the current stimulus package has fallen short and whether another round of spending may be in the offing. The weak jobs report last week and the remarks by Joe Biden over the weekend that the White House had "misread" just how weak the economy was has fueled the debate.

3. In the latest bidding war among data storage companies, EMC has boosted its offer for Data Domain to $33.50 per share. Since Data had already accepted a bid of $30 per share from NetApp, this could get interesting.

4. Seven banks failed over the weekend. Six of them from the state of Illinois.

5. Stocks in the news today:
EMC ----- 12.90 + .12
Data Domain ----- 34.09 + .88
Merck ----- 27.93 + .91
Home Depot ----- 22.89 + .08
Am Express ----- 23.49 + 1.22
Chevron ----- 64.23 - .18
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby cali4995 » July 7, 2009, 11:33 am

What do you guys think about investing on the SET? The nation newspaper really is the leading
business daily. They had an very interesting review the other day and the local market is posting
some phenomenal gains (for select stocks) of course. Looks more promising than Wall Street. :lol:
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby tigerryan » July 7, 2009, 11:38 am

I thought you needed to be Thai to buy stocks listed on the SET. I bought some TTF on the NYSE after I looked into it a couple years ago but thats what I recall.
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » July 7, 2009, 12:44 pm

I'd prefer an Asian fund that included some Thai stocks rather than individual stocks to cut down on risk and create some diversity. Just a personal preference.
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » July 8, 2009, 9:07 am

1. Stocks fell today as rumors of a second government stimulus plan generated fears that the economy is not living up to all the hype. Fears of dismal 2nd quarter earnings reports also contributed to the negative sentiment.

Dow ----- 8162.39 - 162.48
Oil ----- 62.48 - 1.57
Gold ----- 923.83 - 1.13

2. California suffered a new setback today when the Fitch rating agency cut its rating on the state?s general obligation bonds to just two notches above junk status. The state last week started issuing IOU promissory notes for some bills to conserve cash for priority payments, including payments to investors holding the state's debt. Did California pay for the Michael Jackson Staples Center Memorial?

3. Sick of costly delays that have contributed to a blow to the company's credibility, the Boeing Company will shell out $580 Mill in cash for a company in South Carolina that makes large sections of its 787 jetliner.

4. Stocks in the news:
Boeing ----- 39.04 -1.52
Citigroup ----- 2.69 -0.10
IBM ----- 100.19 -1.46
ExxonMobil ----- 66.56 -1.54
AIG ----- 13.75 -2.44
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » July 9, 2009, 9:00 am

1. A mixed economic report from the International Monetary Fund and falling commodity prices kept the market at bay most of the day but it rallied near the close to finish in positive territory.

Dow ----- 8178.41 + 14.81
Oil ----- 60.05 - 2.88
Gold ----- 909.00 - 15.68

2. Oil billionaire T. Boone Pickens step back from his plan to build the world's largest wind farm in Texas shows just how much a brutal recession can change the way the U.S. invests in renewable energy. It looks like smaller projects closer to major population centers will be the way to go in the near future. Denise Bode, chief executive of the American Wind Energy Association says "You?ve got an industry that's kind of hanging on by its fingernails."

3. The Chinese have taken away yet another "World's No. 1" title from the US ... In 2000, China's exports to the Arab world came to just $6 Billion. Last year, that number climbed to $48 Billion, which nearly passed $50 Bill in exports by the U.S. Earlier this year, China finally passed the U.S. to become the Arab world's largest trading partner.

4. Stocks in the news today:
Bank America ----- 11.84 -0.31
Sun Trust ----- 15.04 -0.39
GE ----- 10.71 -0.30
Walmart ----- 48.37 +0.53
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