Of interest to bar owners:
http://pattaya-times.com/a4833-police-crackdown-on-foreign-operated-sex-bars

Beer bar crackdown or dog and pony show? Coming soon to Udon? What do you think?



Time flies like a arrow. Fruit flies like a banana. - Groucho Marx

Roll on Fatbassard.

More on the Pattaya bar crackdown:

Update:
Thaivisa have this morning received the following email from Drew Noyes for publication:

To all the best websites and bars serving foreigners in Thailand:

Please note in the recent breaking news in the Pattaya Times newspaper and on http://www.pattaya-times.com (and maybe on your website) that this action detailed in the article "Police Crackdown on Foreign Owned Sex Bars" is scheduled to begin February 16 or before and targets gay bars, beer bars and gogos with bar fines in Pattaya and then possibly in the other cities.
PAPPA Co., Ltd Legal Services Division, which we own in addition to shares of Pattaya Times Media Corp. Co., Ltd. does not want to make money from this crackdown that is WHY we announced it in advance! If we wanted to make money we would have kept this to ourselves without warning the public and waited for the phones to ring when fellow foreigners were in trouble. Our lawyers have kept more than 4,000 foreigners out of trouble in the last 12 years, but we believe prevention is better than the cure.

The reason Drew Noyes is quoted three different ways in prominent positions in the article is to let everyone know how serious this crackdown could be and because we could not quote annonymous police officials who are sensitive to the inequalities foreigners are shown and want to help us.
If foreign investors in bars simply instruct their staff to tell police - if they raid - that the owner and manager are Thai, and if the foreigner is not in the bar drawing attention to himself, then he won't have any trouble.
The reason the article about legalizing prostitution is on the front page of http://www.pattaya-times.com along with the Police Crackdown on Foreign Owned Sex Bars article is because we beleive after the crackdown either zoning of adult entertainment or legalization of some form of prostitution will follow in the next year or so since many Thai politicians see the merits in either or both as stated in that article.

Thank you,

The Pattaya Times Newspaper Editor

From ThaiVisa.com

So this guys advise is if you own the bar you should hide and hope the police don't figure out your the owner.

F...k the Pimps anyway

Aardvark wrote:F...k the Pimps anyway

Same price as the bargirls No thanks

Writing purely as an observer and not a participant.I am rather glad to see the 2k short time figure. By the time you add the bar fine and maybe a couple of girl drinks you are getting near the same figure as buying 2 ltrs of a decent scotch or 1 ltr of an excellent one , and I know which I prefer . More to the point though. If those Pattaya types were thinking of coming up here for a bit of cheap Issan totty, they may get the message, stay where you are mates its much cheaper in soi 7.

trubrit wrote:Writing purely as an observer and not a participant.I am rather glad to see the 2k short time figure. By the time you add the bar fine and maybe a couple of girl drinks you are getting near the same figure as buying 2 ltrs of a decent scotch or 1 ltr of an excellent one , and I know which I prefer . More to the point though. If those Pattaya types were thinking of coming up here for a bit of cheap Issan totty, they may get the message, stay where you are mates its much cheaper in soi 7.

Are there any forum members who are mathematicians?

According to Val's Law, the price (in Thailand) of Issan totty seems to vary in inverse proportion to their distance from Issan ie the further away you/they get, the cheaper is the totty.

Obviously, the Law is not true once you leave LOS, as any visitor and imbiber of the Issan totty in Hong Kong, London, Paris, Rome or Sydney (et al) could probably testify.

Val, thanks for taking the Forum to a higher plane - get ready for a visit to Stockholm to receive your well deserved gong

However, it may be a bridge too far to try and work the price of JW Black v Bruichladdich Single Malt into the Law.

I think also that all the tourist types would factor in that buying a beer in many of the bars up here ain't cheap either compared to Patters so 2 reasons not to come,but they like doing the tourist visa run here so they will still venture up.
Maybe they will negotiate one hour instead of 2 as mentioned before,cut out the massage,still insist of a smoke(double meaning) and ask to pay half that amount.
Must admit the figure mentioned before sounds more like prices charged in Bangers,she must be one heck of a bargirl

This was the interesting part of the 21 Jan 2010 Pattaya Times article for me:

"In a related matter, there will be an Interpol office opening in Pattaya to help catch more than 2,000 foreigners wanted in Thailand on various charges"

If INTERPOL is involved, I think a more correct wording would have been "to help catch more than 2,000 foreigners believed to be in Thailand wanted for various international offenses"

Do some of you think there are 2,000 wanted for Thai offenses? What say you?

Steve and Gareth?

jovialjames wrote:One of the great things about the internet is that people can see and read other peoples opinions on a forum like this. Your mate Kenny has obviously got you all to send in posts and say stuff like "your a top bloke mate"........well let me tell you something........many other people have the same opinion as me regarding Day and Night and inparticular G-Spot bar. I am not ringing anyone up and trying to get them to post messages here like you and your other bar owner mates at Day and Night......other people that I do not know are confirming what I have said.......At the end of the day, most of the bars in Day n Night are struggling. That is why they have to rip off as many tourists as possible. They wont try and rip off the permanent residents in Udon. However they will take the ##### out of any tourists. My advise to anyone visiting Udon is to stay away from Udon Day and Night. Or at the very minimum check out the place and have one eye on your wallet at all times. There are other areas to go in Udon, there is a multitude of Bars, I am not going to recomment any of them. Just look at the previous topics and you will be able to find a good one.

You have to remember Udon Map represents a VERY small click of farangs even amongst the limited foreign visitors and residents to Udon. How small? 25% of the posts are by just 8 users, almost 50% by the top 20 posters.

Anyone who is not part of this tight little social group with its very narrow views of what is and isn’t acceptable and where is and isn’t a good business will be personally attacked and have their posts edited and/or deleted. You made a comment that a peripheral member of the club is not running greatest business in the history of capitalist…well 5 pages of flaming and personal attacks is about par for the course.

Nonsense.

Have you bothered to analyse the responses, and the responders? I very much doubt it. The 5 pages you talk about are a mixture of rebuttal, agreement and humour.

As one of your "top 20 posters" I can say that, IMO, UdonMap is tolerant of all points of view which stay within the forum rules. I have yet to see any post deleted or edited simply because it disagreed with the views of a prolific contributor, or a particular business.

If you want to post something controversial, or inflammatory, strap yourself in for the replies. If you are too soft to accept that, there are thousands of other forums on the net - including another one based in/around Udon.

Well your mathematical analysis is interesting bn, but hardly earth shattering. Wilfried Fritz Pareto discovered this phenomena some 110 years ago & actually gave his name to it - pareto principle. Most businesses have used the so called 80/20 rule somewhere within their organisation ever since.
This particular thread is not a very good example of the principal in operation though as it tends to work better on large amounts of data rather than small....however...
There are 31 different members replying to this thread - some members a number of times. Of the 31, only 1 (ME) is actually in the top 9 posts. Hardly seems like a heavy bias towards the top posters to me.
Your criticism of the forum is, of course, an opinion that you are entitled to. However, it has NEVER claimed to represent anyone or anything - except the people who want to join & post on it. Your claim that views not acceptable to the majority are edited or deleted is just untrue. The only posts that are ever removed are those that are in defiance of the clearly stated forum rules.
Now back to this particular thread.
Although you give a response bn you do not actually say whether you agree with james, or not. To say that James has been 'economical' with the truth in some of his replies would be a correct assumption.

BobHelm wrote:To say that James has been 'economical' with the truth in some of his replies would be a correct assumption.

Bob, are you saying politely that James has been talking a load of bollox?

Back to topic... been in D&N a couple of times last week and tried to see the nice part of it.
Not easy as I (and my Danish friend) was irritated by the lady drink scam that is going on . I don't mean they drink coke and let you pay sangsom coke, that is part of your personal attitude (sniff the drink and you know). My friend and I are used to spend only beer for a lady, but even that is part of the scam. Example: small Leo 60 baht, the same as a lady drink 110 baht!!! A surplus of 50 baht, nearly doubling the price. An absolute scam that is part of ruining the bar scene.
My friend and I found a nice way to avoid it: order 4 small beers, pay. When a girl asks for a drink you just give her one of the 2 unused beers, that's it.
I'm not a kee neow but there are borders of spending money and 110 baht for a small Leo is one of them.

Regarding the OP talking about a ripoff by a girl at G-spot (2000 baht short time): The girls at the G-spot bar are absolute stunners, the most beautiful girls of the Udon night life! If such a beauty asks 2000 baht she is right and if I would feel the need (I didn't) for a short get together I would be willing to pay the 2K rather than less money for a lesser girl. That's life, more beautiful means more expensive.

So Jovial James, you're right on the bar scams, you're absolutely wrong on the girl rippoff.

Joe