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Why is'nt the pound getting stronger against the baht?

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Re: Why is'nt the pound getting stronger against the baht?

Postby rick » March 2, 2010, 9:27 am

well, i would disagree with some of that. First, as we are not in the Euro, the greek issue does not affect us as much as the eurozone. Well shouldn't anyway in my view. Secondly, yes our borrowing has increased more than most european countries but we had one of the lowest government debts per capita in europe. Even at current borrowing rates, we only hit the european average in 3 years or so. Greek levels are highly unlikely for us. So i think the market is over nervous. And as for the election, i think a hung parliament would be good - because i do not trust conservatives to fix it either. Liberals in fact have the best chancellor material (vince cable).
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Re: Why is'nt the pound getting stronger against the baht?

Postby parrot » March 2, 2010, 11:27 am

My 2 satang worth concerning pound/baht or dollar/baht:

1) When potential expats talk about the cost of living in Thailand, few, it seem, consider the currency risk. The dollar traded at 25ish baht to $1 for many years before the bottom fell out.......then it went to 54/1 (or so) before settling down in the 40's to 1. In the past few years it's taken a steady decline to the current 33/1. We'd all like to see it go back to the 40's, but we'd all like to be 20 or 30 or 40 years younger too! God forbid the person who made a decision to come to Thailand based on the 54/1 rate!

2) If you're looking for insight into the future currency rates, talk to the guy who sits on the sidewalk just outside the Bangkok Bank on Phosri Rd. For 50 baht, he'll tell you what you want to hear (or not) and, as far as I'm concerned, his guess is as good as anyone else.

3) coups can come and go, the price of your gai yang or bottle of Leo can go up, but nothing will impact the flow in/out of expats into Udon like a dramatic drop in currency rates.
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Re: Why is'nt the pound getting stronger against the baht?

Postby arjay » March 2, 2010, 12:07 pm

Why is sterling declining:-

I see it as a combination of The Uk's large and increasing national debt/borrowing, the fact that the UK government has not said what it plans to do to resolve the situation, the uncertainty over the coming General Election and the possibility that there may be a "hung parliament", coupled with the fact that after Greece, Spain and Portugal's debt problems, Britain isn't far behind!

For more info see:-
From The Times
March 2, 2010
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/b ... 046058.ece
Day the dam burst: fears of election deadlock sink pound
Ian King, Gráinne Gilmore

The pound suffered its biggest one-day fall for more than a year yesterday amid the prospect of a hung Parliament and growing fears that this will prevent swift and decisive action being taken over Britain’s public finances.

Sterling crashed by more than four cents at one stage against the US dollar, dropping below $1.50 for the first time in ten months. It also fell to its lowest level against the euro for nearly two months.

At one stage, the pound — which had traded at $1.5247 on Friday evening — fell to $1.4784, before rallying. It was sterling’s worst day since February last year and analysts warned that it could weaken further in coming weeks, as political uncertainty continued — possibly sinking to $1.20 or less by the summer.

The decline came after a Sunday Times opinion poll suggested that Labour could remain the largest party in Parliament after the general election, but without an overall majority.

Nick Beecroft, senior FX consultant at Saxo Bank, said: “We are witnessing what can justifiably called the beginnings of sterling’s collapse. So long as the markets could harbour some hope that the next government would be a fiscally prudent, business-friendly Conservative one that would act swiftly to reduce the UK deficit and borrowing mountains, the pound was able to just about hold its own against the euro — which is, itself, entering a possibly fatally damaging period.

“But today the dam burst, and it could not even do that, let alone against the mighty dollar. This weekend’s election polls predicting a Labour Government, ruling over a hung Parliament, put paid to that dream. Expect a test of $1.40 within a month and, as the global landscape turns ever-more ugly on the back of deflation and sovereign debt concerns, a continuing flight to the dollar, taking sterling down below $1.20 by the summer.”

Mark Deans, dealing manager at the brokerage Moneycorp, agreed: “If the fears of a hung Parliament were to come true, sterling could fall even further, with a risk of us reaching parity against the euro.”

Analysts said sterling had also been hit by rumoured selling by Prudential advisers ahead of its planned $35.5 billion takeover of AIG’s Asian assets. They said that because the Pru is having to exchange sterling for dollars when it completes the deal but is not expected to have raised the funds until May, any falls in sterling would potentially make the deal more expensive — making it sensible for the insurance giant to “lock in” at present rates.

On bond markets, gilt prices also fell amid the political uncertainty, with the yield on ten-year gilts — which rises as the price falls — increasing from 4.03 per cent to 4.106 per cent at one stage. Sentiment was further undermined as the Bank of England published figures showing that foreign investors sold a net £1.49 billion of gilts in January — the highest figure for nine months.

Richard McGuire, a strategist at RBC Capital Markets, said: “Concerns over a hung Parliament and worries about whether we will have a political landscape conducive to bringing the deficit to heel have triggered a marked under-performance of gilts today.”


And the £ is continuing to fall today!
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Re: Why is'nt the pound getting stronger against the baht?

Postby davecryan » March 2, 2010, 1:03 pm

Mally

In my experience, whether the rate is 66 or 50....you always get more baht for your pound, by changing in Thailand.
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Re: Why is'nt the pound getting stronger against the baht?

Postby KHONDAHM » March 2, 2010, 2:17 pm

rick wrote:well, i would disagree with some of that. First, as we are not in the Euro, the greek issue does not affect us as much as the eurozone. Well shouldn't anyway in my view. Secondly, yes our borrowing has increased more than most european countries but we had one of the lowest government debts per capita in europe. Even at current borrowing rates, we only hit the european average in 3 years or so. Greek levels are highly unlikely for us. So i think the market is over nervous. ...

While I respect anyone's right to disagree, here's the reality: The Eurozone is the UK's major trading partner(s). I will skip detailing the ramifications of a Greece bailout or failure because I think the fallout from either scenario is rather obvious.

So what does the crystal ball of reality have in store for the Pound?

Greece Now, U.K. Next as Scots Ready for Pound Plunge
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... 57Zw&pos=6

March 1 (Bloomberg) -- While the eyes of the world focus on Greece’s debt crisis, investors in Edinburgh are busy preparing for the U.K. to be next...


I'm sorry, what was it your were saying? :lol:

If I were in the pound/sterling, I would put as much as I needed for 1 year (plus a cushion) in THB and the rest in gold. No matter what happens, I would be protected. But who am I to offer a suggestion, much less advice?

Cheers! ;)
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Re: Why is'nt the pound getting stronger against the baht?

Postby lepidoptra » March 24, 2010, 6:22 am

Listening to the radio in the UK today. An economist was talking about the weak pound. If his predictions come true then all expats are going to be effected. He stated that the Pound could well fall another 20% before it stabalizies. 1 Pound will be worth about 90 Euro cents and the USA dollar will cost about 1$ 25 cents.(Don't we just love it when a government minister professes that a weak pound is good for the UK economy.)
He didn't mention the Baht but stated most of the world currencies would strengthen considerably against the pound. This is bad news for all expats living in other countries including Thailand. Many are returning from other EU countries.
Most pensions/incomes have devalued about 38% in the last 4 years. I will stay put in the UK at the moment hoping things will improve before I return to the LOS. :cry:
The effect on the money required for visa renewals must be a concern for many expats.
We can only hope this man is incorrect in his forecast (As many financial experts have been before).
As you probably know a general election is due in the UK in May. The fear of a hung parliament is apparently one of the reasons in the falling pound. 8-[ Low B of E interest rates doesn't help.
Even if the BOT was to devalue the baht there's no way it would be sufficient to effect and benefit us generally.
I think we must all keep our fingers crossed that a turnaround will happen sooner than later and before we're all pushing up the daisies
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Re: Why is'nt the pound getting stronger against the baht?

Postby fallenlocks » March 25, 2010, 12:17 am

rick wrote:Out of recession yes, but barely and expected to have been better. both FTSE and pound have fallen


POLITICAL SPEEL
what evidence , is there to show that britain is out of recession . none
many thousands of people have lost their jobs ..fact .
and the number increases daily

the balance of wealth is shifting , from the west to the east.
china , korea , india , thailand.. these currencies are becoming stronger .
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Re: Why is'nt the pound getting stronger against the baht?

Postby Philip101 » March 25, 2010, 1:21 am

Fallen locks,

The evidence thats were out of reccesion is that the british econnomy grew between 0.1 and 0.4% in the last financial quater, this TECHNICALLY means britain is out of recession, yes jobs are still being lost, but the job market is also growing, it just depnds what industry your in or want to be in.

Everybody just reports the negatives not the positives, plenty of retailers/small businesses even airlines are going from strengh to strengh...

Barclays has just made a ridiculous profit, so has RBS and HSBC

A reccesion is when the economy is shrinking one financial quater after another, this has stopper, the economy is growing, a INCREDIBLY small amount but its GROWING
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Re: Why is'nt the pound getting stronger against the baht?

Postby rick » March 25, 2010, 8:10 pm

The recovery is well and truly underway. Sure, there will still be bankruptcies, but unemployment is falling, and looking for a job myself, in january i was lucky to see 2 adverts a week, now i cannot keep up with filling in the applications. Lots still looking, but even adverts in windows again. Maybe, just maybe, this recovery is going to be faster than anyone expects.
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Re: Why is'nt the pound getting stronger against the baht?

Postby KHONDAHM » March 26, 2010, 12:36 am

By definition, a double-dip has a trough, peak, then trough. Buckleup for the plunge to be initiated by a confluence of events happening very soon...
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Re: Why is'nt the pound getting stronger against the baht?

Postby fallenlocks » March 26, 2010, 2:02 am

Philip101 wrote:very true!!!!Sorry about my use of words there your right not EVERY ferang gets lulled some do have their head screwed on!!!

question time ..where do they screw it ????
90 per cent , screw it on their ....

advice i was given by a friend , he,s been in thailand , long time..
and it has cost him ,, big money .

do not buy what you can rent ... house , car etc
do not get married ...officially ..
do not get to involved , with the darlings family.
if you fail on any of the above ...
do find yourself a reputable , farang friendly solictor ..
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Re: Why is'nt the pound getting stronger against the baht?

Postby KHONDAHM » April 9, 2010, 4:15 pm

Yep...what I said would start to happen in April is starting to happen in April. Hang on for the ride! I pity those still clinging to European fiat currencies...
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Re: Why is'nt the pound getting stronger against the baht?

Postby arjay » April 15, 2010, 12:27 pm

Well the £ sterling has just popped its head up above 50 baht to £1 this morning (BBC website), and also above 1.55 to the US dollar. Though of course as the Thai banks are currently closed, their rates haven't changed since monday's close. It will be interesting to see what rates they are quoting when they re-open after Songkran.

The euro has also strengthened after the problems with Greece have been apparently overcome.

And for anyone interested the Singaporean dollar was "allowed to appreciate against the US dollar" yesterday, which caused it to rise by 1.25%. The Malysian Ringit also rose on the news.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8619548.stm
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Re: Why is'nt the pound getting stronger against the baht?

Postby fallenlocks » May 10, 2010, 4:22 am

Philip101 wrote:Fallen locks,

The evidence thats were out of reccesion is that the british econnomy grew between 0.1 and 0.4% in the last financial quater, this TECHNICALLY means britain is out of recession, yes jobs are still being lost, but the job market is also growing, it just depnds what industry your in or want to be in.

Everybody just reports the negatives not the positives, plenty of retailers/small businesses even airlines are going from strengh to strengh...

Barclays has just made a ridiculous profit, so has RBS and HSBC

A reccesion is when the economy is shrinking one financial quater after another, this has stopper, the economy is growing, a INCREDIBLY small amount but its GROWING


wow , that is good news ,, forever the optimist ,,0.4 per cent growth .
in the real growth world ,,
india economy growth rate at 11 per cenr /per annum .
chinese economy growth rate 13 per cent / per annum
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Re: Why is'nt the pound getting stronger against the baht?

Postby wiking » May 10, 2010, 12:10 pm

soon you will only get 40 baht for pound maybee less - UK is bankrupt soon - first Irland and than UK - all the goverments in Europe giving more money out than comming in and has done this to long time now.
the farang bussiness in thailand will get hard time ahead.
no more money and than no more honey - goodbye
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