US Health Care Plan

There is some more jockeying going on, though.

The House passed a bill. The Senate rejected it and wrote their own bill. That is the bill that is under scrutiny now.

When the House passed their bill, some Dems in the House did so because Dems in the Senate promised they would keep the abortion language in the bill (no taxpayer funded abortion). However, as I stated, the full Senate rejected the House bill and the abortion language with it.

When the Senate passed their bill, it contained taxpayer funded abortions.

So now you have Dems in the House not trusting Dems in the Senate.

Dems in the Senate are saying that if the House passes their bill (the Senate bill), the Senate will "reconcile" the abortion language to make certain Dems happy in the House. However, there are three problems. One is the distrust from the first go-round. A second is that abortion is not a budgetary item. The third is the November elections. Some are predicting as many as 80 seats could be lost by the Dems if they vote for this bill. More moderate estimates of lost seats are 40 to 50.

There are also some other convoluted Senate rules that could really make a mess of the whole thing even if the House passes the current Senate bill.

Although this story isn't about health care reform, it is about a government run program. And they want to cram more government down our throats. How do they figure they will be able to paying for their heath care reform? Taxes are going to go through the roof.

Now the government will have to borrow even more money, much of it abroad, to start paying back the IOUs, and the timing couldn't be worse. The government is projected to post a record $1.5 trillion budget deficit this year, followed by trillion dollar deficits for years to come.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100314/ap_ ... urity_ious

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A Congressional Budget Office report showed that the legislation will save $138 billion in the next decade while expanding coverage to 32 million uninsured.

The greatest fear of the Republican Party is that the health care reform legislation will be passed and signed into law .... and the American public comes to realize that the nation will greatly benefit in the long run as a result .... and that the GOP was being extremely self-serving and disingenuous through the massive propaganda campaign that they and the insurance lobby waged in their efforts to frighten the populace and kill the bill.

Be easy. There are certain members on the board who inhale the Republiklan smoke, drink the Kool-Aide, wear the glasses, wrap themselves in the flag, sip the Teaparty tea, etc., etc. Facts don't convinced them. Fox Network does.

Social Security
US Postal System
Amtrack
Medicare
Medicaid
IRS

Your gall bladder is no concern of mine.

KHONDAHM wrote:Be easy. There are certain members on the board who inhale the Republiklan smoke, drink the Kool-Aide, wear the glasses, wrap themselves in the flag, sip the Teaparty tea, etc., etc. Facts don't convinced them. Fox Network does.

this can be true,
but I am convinced that they also will be caring for the health of their "32 million uninsured fellow Americans"....

cookie wrote:.

A Congressional Budget Office report showed that the legislation will save $138 billion in the next decade while expanding coverage to 32 million uninsured.

The greatest fear of the Republican Party is that the health care reform legislation will be passed and signed into law .... and the American public comes to realize that the nation will greatly benefit in the long run as a result .... and that the GOP was being extremely self-serving and disingenuous through the massive propaganda campaign that they and the insurance lobby waged in their efforts to frighten the populace and kill the bill.

No one is reporting that the total cost of the bill cannot be computed by the CBO because all of the features of the bill have not been scored.

Second, $70 billion in supposed savings includes government control of all higher education funding. That is over half of the $138 billion in deficit reduction that is being reported.

The majority of Americans do not want government intruding in their health care. They want changes in the health care system, but not government control. Americans have to look only at Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, AmTrak, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and the US Postal Service to see that government does not keep its word regarding funding, deficits and poor enforcement. Add the invasive IRS into the equation, and Americans realize that their freedom and liberty regarding health care and their families will be over if this bill passes.

cookie, as usual, you're way out of your area of expertise when you claim to know what Americans will realize.

No one is reporting that the total cost of the bill cannot be computed by the CBO because all of the features of the bill have not been scored.

Second, $70 billion in supposed savings includes government control of all higher education funding. That is over half of the $138 billion in deficit reduction that is being reported.

Just so there is no misunderstanding, the CBO released their $138 billion deficit-reducing number over 10 years with a note that the number was the best that they could do with the information that was received from the House, since the bill was incomplete, and is still not complete. The actual cost and deficit reductions are still not known.

Higher education funding for loans will all be handled by the federal government. Now, the US government will have the final say as to who gets money for college. This separate bill was added to the health care bill to try to make it more attractive for Democrats who would vote against the health care bill. There is also an exception that has been made for a bank in North Dakota to make student loans. They needed the 'yes' vote of a North Dakota congressman from that district.

The "preliminary" CBO estimate LINK

Also, some more news ...

The questions keep arising as to how a $940 billion pricetag has been slapped on what is actually a multitrillion-dollar bill.

First, the Congress made sure not to start the program until almost halfway through CBO’s window of time for measuring how much it’ll cost. That cuts a trillion or two right off the top. But what if that still leaves you with budget deficits?

Simple. Congress is breaking the bill up with the idea of passing one of the most expensive parts later.

The reconciliation proposal is actually three bills. There is an amendment to the Senate bill which is being crafted now and is incomplete (the amendment to H.R. 4872). Then there's the Senate-passed health bill (H.R. 3590), and the Medicare Physicians Payment Reform Act of 2009 (H.R. 3961).

The CBO estimates that enacting all three pieces of legislation would add $59 billion to budget deficits over the 2010–2019 period.

Still puffing the Fox talking points, but I love your new sinister looking Capt. America avatar. That's exactly how I picture Fox zealots.

KHONDAHM wrote:Still puffing the Fox talking points, but I love your new sinister looking Capt. America avatar. That's exactly how I picture Fox zealots.

If you can't post anything factual or provide something of substance to refute my information regarding the debate (you must have missed the link to the CBO scoring) and continue to choose to be insulting, I'll oblige you. I think that weak, washed out, wimpy avatar of yours suits you, too. You need to get that avatar dude some free health care.

Lol! NOW we're having a conversation.

Here is something reguarding the Congressional "debate" and the transparency of the negotiations about the health care ramrod.

Wow! That came from CNN. They don't sound like the CNN of old. Did someone wake them?

WBU ALUM wrote:Wow! That came from CNN. They don't sound like the CNN of old. Did someone wake them?

Yeah, another busted bubble.