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£34m pyramid scheme boss targeted Welsh communities

Postby BobHelm » March 10, 2010, 1:14 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/8556482.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/engl ... 558453.stm

To prove his bona-fides and just how generous he was, Foster would draw several names from a hat at each roadshow and give the lucky investor their £5,000 immediately.

At bigger roadshows, where several hundred people would attend, the prizes were also bigger - free luxury holidays and even free cars.

They were genuine prizes but ultimately paid for, of course, by the many more ordinary investors who put in at least £1,000 and got nothing at all back.
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Re: £34m pyramid scheme boss targeted Welsh communities

Postby jimboLV » March 10, 2010, 1:55 pm

Sounds a bit like the Obama Healthcare plan.

That was a joke. :lol:
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Re: £34m pyramid scheme boss targeted Welsh communities

Postby BobHelm » March 10, 2010, 3:00 pm

jimboLV wrote:Sounds a bit like the Obama Healthcare plan.



I don't even think you go into the hat with that.... :D
(Joke also...)
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Re: £34m pyramid scheme boss targeted Welsh communities

Postby jimboLV » March 10, 2010, 3:22 pm

That one went over my head. :-k
What I did find humorous from the article was this:

After the convictions, Serious Fraud Office director Richard Alderman said: "I am very pleased with this verdict.



Do they also have a unit titled "Not Quite Serious But Still a Fraud" Office?
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Re: £34m pyramid scheme boss targeted Welsh communities

Postby rick » March 11, 2010, 6:12 pm

Do they also have a unit titled "Not Quite Serious But Still a Fraud" Office?


Yes, it is called 'to busy to deal with that one, sue them yourself'.

I was stunned to hear some time ago that a case my brother was following up (he was working on VAT collection) was deemed to small to bother with by higher powers (the company involved was considered an 'ideal' company by PM Mrs Thatcher). My brother did not drop the case and successfully prosecuted them for about £250,000. they were probably evading tax too but that was not his area. Strangely, he never got promoted.
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Re: £34m pyramid scheme boss targeted Welsh communities

Postby fcbforever » March 12, 2010, 3:26 am

Sounds to me like the USD 10 trillion+ Pyramid scheme that the US Federal Reserve Bank is running on behalf of Wall Street and the US government.

This is NOT a joke. :mad:
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Re: £34m pyramid scheme boss targeted Welsh communities

Postby BobHelm » March 12, 2010, 9:23 am

I did watch an Aussie channel program last night about the run up to the financial crisis -called "The Warning".
The program centered on 'Derivatives" and Brooksley Born, head of the Commodities Futures Trading Commission attempts to get Government regulation into this 'market'...She ended up resigning her job after the financial powerhouses that were Greenspan, Rubin and Summers convinced The Senate it would be financial suicide to do this. Greenspan has since admitted he was wrong.
The finance businesses claims about Derivatives (the 'black box' argument) reminded me of the Enron argument about its' finances.
I believe that if someone cannot explain to an ordinary citizen how a 'scheme' is making money then it is undoubtedly fraudulent - but then Greenspan did not even believe that was important at the time & would have welcomed Mr. Foster as a Wall Street player... :D :D
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Re: £34m pyramid scheme boss targeted Welsh communities

Postby JimboPSM » March 12, 2010, 10:56 am

BobHelm wrote:........ I believe that if someone cannot explain to an ordinary citizen how a 'scheme' is making money then it is undoubtedly fraudulent.......

I wouldn't go quite as far as saying the ordinary citizen for derivatives, but certainly all finance professionals.

From my own experiences in my former life as a finance director I had a number of bankers try to get me (and my company) interested in a number of sophisticated financial derivatives.

However not one of them was able to satisfactorily explain, in a way that I in turn would be able to explain to my board, how they worked and how they were to be of a guaranteed benefit to my group.

I did not have a resistance to derivatives per se, just to ones I could not understand and in all honesty I can’t say that I ever thought they were fraudulent and a con - just that I wasn’t bright enough to understand them.

As a consequence, as I didn’t understand them, I never bought into them.

However at the time I was quite happily using older simpler derivatives such as forward currency sales and purchases (which I understood extremely well).
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