Difference between British & Thai Police

udonuk1 wrote:Well Stan WOULD say that, wouldn't he, Arjay ? He is one of the ones with his finger in the great taxpayer and fine payer PIE !
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Care to elaborate?I don't have a clue what you are talking about!

"Finger in the pie" is this a special riddle cause I've no idea what he's talking about. It does appear that the one who is so anti police can only quote what other people have said. To believe everything written in the media would I feel be rather naive. It's just impossible for some people to change their views so I can't see much point in continuing this post

For once I agree, the post has been the personal, lets have a go at the Police for Udonuk.
While it is true that in some cases there ae corrupt Police officers as there are corrupt public service employees not only in Thailand but also in every Govt in every country, to attack a system which has over the years allowed a person like Udonuk to give vent to his feelings freely, is asking for double standards, he can vent but we the Police often are unabl to tell the public exactly what they want to hear for fear of being verbally attacked for some spurious reason.

Udonuk, speaks if I may be plain about this out of his derriere, a place known for C***, he really has no idea how the Police are funded and still maintains the all the original arguments he started with.

Personally if I was working, ( which I am not, he may be relieved about that), he would be classed as one of those, who whenever he comes into contact with the Police would be marked as a complainer. Oh his comments would be taken seriously and all the time wasted would be paid by the tax-payer. Should he ever be arrested, the utmost politeness would be shown to him, and that is all anything else would go out the window, he would get exactly what the law allows and nothing more, which too be honest is more work than enough but then a person like that deserves nothing better.

I remember once dealing with a person like that after his car had just hit a lampost. The reason was that he was a bit worse for wear, now call it what you will, on a country road late at night, no lights, just him and me, nice car, bent a bit and now a lampost, which wasn't working anyway, now decidely brokenin half. Whjat should one do.
Well one could arrest him, give him a ride back to the station some 15 miles away, deal with him and arrange for his car to be towed in all those good things that a good officer should do.
He was complaining about the road, the lampost ( situated some 5 foot off the road ). me , hadn't I anything better to do , ( yes I did actually ) .
The out come was not what he expected.
1 he had no phone
2, The accident was some 20 miles away from where he lived and 15 miles form any town ( oh dear ).
3, He had no money on him.
4 it was about 3 am, and he had an important meeting at 8 am.

Me: I had my radio, I had my police car, I was OK.

He ( you've guessed it right ).. had to walk home, it was cold as well, his car was left there, with a warning that should he cause another accident he would be charged with that as well, my radio was not used to arrange a garage tow
( outside force policy ) , nor was it used to relay a private message to his wife. I did tell him that the local authority would be advised that it was his car that knocked over the lampost and his insurance would have to pay.

Corrupt, but justice was seen to be done, some months later I saw him again, he smiled and reminded me who he was, , he had never done that again, he was now a teetotaller, he even introduced me to his wife. He also thanked me.

What did I get out of it I hear Udonuk asking....nothing just pure satisfaction that an arrogant, self-opinionated rude man got his just desserts.

That's real policing, against Force Policy probably, against the law of the land NO. Assisting a member of the public...in a roundabout way ...YES


Should this post be locked...........YES.

jackspratt wrote:

udonuk1 wrote:And until 2005, police in UK received a percentage of all speeding tickets. In ALL other industrial countries, they still do.

As previously advised, you are speaking crap. For example, Australian police do not gain any income from legally issued speeding tickets - or any other traffic fines for that matter.

For those who wish to debate whether Australia is an industrial country, please open a new thread.

I am pleased that you mentioned Australian police, Jackspratt, they are one of the most greedy when it comes to speeding fines whatever you may say or think, if you get speeding fines your car can be IMPOUNDED in Australia, and .......... guess who gets the proceeds of all the Porsches and Mercedes sale ? Yes the police, or more likely their mates get a free car. This is all officially to catch "hoons" of course, but that is the problem with big government, THEY JUST CANNOT STOP THEMSELVES FROM expanding. Last year i got a speeding ticket in Western Australia, the police were waiting on the downhill section of the road leaving a small town, ready for payday !

Maybe Jack would like to educate himself about traffic laws "downunder " here :
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/australia-speed-cameras-used-to-confiscate-cars/

Of course being the government , you make the law, you do not want anyone to find out about all the abusive things that go on, maybe that is a reason why so many police here are in denial. It is made very difficult to find about the stats etc, hence the need to use the (expensive) freedom of information acts to access all the police and government data. Same as the MPs were fiddling their expenses "within the rules", the police also act "within the rules too", when it comes to pensions, expenses and second jobs. The thing they seem to miss is the gross immorality in what they are all doing, and the difference between what they are doing and the taxpayers who are paying for it all.

As far as i can see, British police officers are very very low on the personal corruption scale, but as i have said many times already , it is institionalised corruption that is the difference between Thailand and UK police services. When police no longer have the right to keep the proceeds of all the crime, the number of speeding , trafffic offences drops. significantly.

I present my case from personal experiences and what i read, i will not get drawn into personal attacks etc, i let the reader make up their minds about what i write.

Regarding future police expense scandals, it is just the start, look out for many many more to come !

"Finger in the Pie" is an idiom used throughout the english speaking world

Surely this has run its course !!
I assumed, obviously wrongly, that this forum was for giving advice and assisting each other in their lives within Udon Thani, giving opinions on things that might matter to individuals who have chosen Udon as their home or visitors to the Province, a little light hearted banter on other subjects helps to lighten the air so to speak but really...what does it matter what the difference is between Police Forces around the globe, who cares, I now live in Udon after 55 yrs in the UK, to get bitter, twisted and personal over pensions, corruption etc is stretching the point...
Why would you care if (1) it doesnt affect you and (2) theres nothing you can do about it..

As far as i can see, British police officers are very very low on the personal corruption scale, but as i have said many times already , it is institionalised corruption that is the difference between Thailand and UK police services. When police no longer have the right to keep the proceeds of all the crime, the number of speeding , trafffic offences drops. significantly.

That sounds an accurate assessment to me.

Surely this has run its course !!

As does that.

Been following this thread for a while, now will have my sip baht worth.

"I am pleased that you mentioned Australian police, Jackspratt, they are one of the most greedy when it comes to speeding fines whatever you may say or think, if you get speeding fines your car can be IMPOUNDED in Australia, and .......... guess who gets the proceeds of all the Porsches and Mercedes sale ? Yes the police"

Are you absolutely sure about that? More like the funds go into Consolidated Government Revenue. Government at budget time decides what % for police, what % for other government departments etc. Police have no say whatsoever in how much they receive from the state government, no matter how many fines are issued, car impound sales, property sales and so on.

Any sale of any 3rd time impounded vehicle or in fact ANY property - will go to the CGR (Let me spell it out for you Consolidated Government Revenue) Nothing at all to do with the police receiving sale proceeds.

", or more likely their mates get a free car."

Been watching too many movies or other TV cop shows - the paperwork, responsibility & accountability is rather extensive on property in the state police.

"This is all officially to catch "hoons" of course, but that is the problem with big government, THEY JUST CANNOT STOP THEMSELVES FROM expanding."

Is that a factual two part statement? Please quote your resources, would be happy to view.

"Last year i got a speeding ticket in Western Australia, the police were waiting on the downhill section of the road leaving a small town, ready for payday !"

Well now we get down to the nitty gritty. Tad put out for speeding over the clearly sign posted limit eh?

How much of your fine do you think went to THE officer's pocket? None? The dept's pocket? None? that would be 100% correct.

They issue numbered infringement notices which are in the book in at least triplicate. One to you, one stays in the book, one to shift supervisor then up the ladder, and possibly the fourth to other offices.

Reminder - ALL official paperwork in any police dept is at least double or triple checked, and is constantly monitored by various internal & external means.

What I never have understood with the anti cop brigade is this: How could you possibly know what the life & duties & experiences of a cop are, without ever having done it?

Once you have completed 5, 10, 20 or more years in the job, and get out - by all means - blaze away. You have earned the right. Please don't "think" you know how it works unless you get both sides of the picture.

I really think in essence and from some of the bizarre comments that have been posted, although Udonuk may say ( he is free to do so) he is intentionally winding people up , this post is degenerating into a farce.
Not all police are the same, not all police are corrupt.
Personally, no matter what anyone says, I would prefer the standards of the British Police were followed across the world, it ain't perfect but a hell of lot better than most. It is not ,nor will it ever be politically ruled, insofar that no member of any law making institution can tell them what to do, unlike the USA and other countries.
The British Police can not be fired for not obeying political orders, they are in fact apolitical, no matter what anyone thinks.
Often I was told that this person and that person could affect my career, needless to say I ignored those comments and was proven right on many occasions.
I used to have a saying that made some smile," If you wish to complain please speak to the boss, that's Her Majesty whose laws I enforce, now shut up and get in the car"

Often used with loudmouthed so-called I am bigger than you are people especially those who said do you know who I am. Those people you know who think that the law does NOT apply to them.

Here in Thailand unfortunately that attitude does work, often to the detriment of the public, the bending of the law to suit those with too much money or political clout never ceases to amaze me, the tide is turning albeit slowly.

There was a recent article in the Bangkok Post which showed that up in stark clarity, it was called Thai Culture and its inequality to many and why it is continually being heralded as being in need of reforming . That will obviously also be rejected by those who want its perpetuation to ensure their personal survival or wealth creation.

Until as such time, here at least the rule of law is strictly enforced then nothing will change. Why I wonder do all those people, then complain about the enforcement of the law in their own country, it is in fact the same for everyone, no matter who you are ( in the majority of countries and having experienced the bigoted and biased enforcement in the USA, I am sorry to say that country is not perfect either ) , as was said in a film I believe called Judge Dread, I uphold the LAW,without any law we would all descend into anarchy and it is the law and its enforcement, that allows us to speak freely with out fear or repression, so those that wish to complain about freedom or police corruption take a walk down to Speakers corner in Hyde park London and listen to the rantings and ravings of many there, spoken quite freely without fear, providing you are NOT inciting racial hatred or religious mayhem , but curtailment of that is regarded as necessary to protect the general public .

Enough of my speech, I have said it before and I ask again politely, can we lock this thread as I am sure the replies will be another unsubstantiated attack on the police for spurious reasons .

Hi,

Thanks very much for this speech.

It help me to think about my ideals.

Tks again and pls keep posting.

I read the bulk of this post some days ago, so I apologise if I have not addressed all of the issues.

I was a police officer in Manchester for 11 years. My intake of 52 had 40 graduates, and the rest of the recruits were ex-army or trades guys.

I worked for 11 years in pure **** as a Constable and Sergeant, and I have never in my life met such a bunch of genuine and great, not to mention dedicated and honest guys and girls.

I have had dealings (cordial) with police officers all over the world and I can say hand on heart that the police officers I have dealt with in England and Wales (and to be honest Scotland and Northern and Southern Ireland) have been so professional.


Police officers do not get any kind of cut from fines, and honestly, where I worked, even the Traffic Nazis would give verbal advices for all but the worst offences because we worked on this primes...when you are on the ground by yourself struggling with some drug fucked idiot, the motorist passing by may come to your help if he has not had a ticket for no seatbelt rather than if he had.

The levels of accountability for the police in England and Wales is immense. EVERYTHING is computerised, and even with the best attempts at 'cuffing' a job, there is always someone there who wants to earn some Brownie points who will find any little thing to pull you up on.

12 years ago, when I was a sergeant, we had performance indicators, and every month we had to justify to the Supt what our relief had done, and if not, why not. These figures were and still are published in the paper for all to see.

We had a saying, policing is a business, but there is no business in policing.

Of course we were accountable to the tax payer who after all pay our wages, but that was it. We did our job, took the gob on our coats, took the abuse, and did the job we were paid to do.

If Udontwat has family members who are a bit less than squeaky clean then they are not the norm, and frankly he is a c...

I Dont have " Any Love " for the Police, But I do respect most of them ( The Traffic Nazis )as buscuit described them,THINK, they are correct 100% of the time,in Liverpool anyway,they are NOT,I have seen some ridiculous situations with SOME of these guys !!!!!Especially The " Evil Kenievels " those Pr*cks that ride the motorcycles seem to be the worse,Like THEY own you,IF they stop you for anything,Just my twopennth worth, BTW,Buscuits I Do agree with your last line regarding udonuk,I Reckon HE is a Troll,& Just a Wind-Up merchant.......Either that or he has had Tooooooooo Many Warnings in his life......