The President of America

63% of Americans disagree with Both Jackspratt and nkstan. The animals who perpertrated the 9/11 bombings did it in the name of Islam. Thats not me saying that, its them. While I agree that most Muslims were outraged by that, to build a mosque, as id already said above is literally a stones throw from the WTC( a 60 second walk guys, remember I worked on Parl Place for 7 years) that close to where 2000 people were killed by people proclaiming to be Muslim! Im not saying dont build it, just move it a few blocks north.

And nkstan where did I say that Islam was responsible for the 9/11 bombings anyway?

Why Am I upset, becasue my best friend was killed in 9/11. He worked for Cantor Fitzgerald!

I hope Ive answered your questions, by the way Jackspratt, I worked in Kuwait for 3 years also, If you called a Mosque a church there you'd be put right very quick! Obviously Ive nothing against Muslims! But what I do have is sensitivity to everyone of those grieving familie that were left behind!

A new synagogue across from Masjid al-Haram in Mecca is a fair analogy.
Ain't ever gonna happen.
America is a big place. There's a lot of places they can build a mosque. That location isn't one of them. I'm not so fervent about it but many Americans are.

Bobo is hemorrhaging badly over his ill-advised statement and subsequent backtrack earlier this week. He is completely out of touch.

If the Muslims in NY, financed by Muslims abroad insist on building this thing with consent of liberal politicians -- there will be blowback. It will be bombed and vandalized and attacked. It will become another nightmare.

But Muslims generally understand this. Indeed, this sort of in-your-face, complete disregard for the locals, arrogant attitude is why they claim they attacked the WTC in the first place. They are not ignorant of this paradigm.

I hope they decide to move it elsewhere, but if they don't, I hope the response is spectacular.

As far as I understand it, I amy be wrong, but I thought that if the planning department of New York whose people in charge were elected by Hew Yorkers, ( I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong) well if this department decided that the building of the Mosque could go ahead, it really doesn't matter what anyone thinks.
My concern is that again People outside the legal processes inside NY are poking in their fingers including Obama. There is supposed to be s democratic process for building anything in new York and if it says OK then it will be built.
Now if the public at large in New York do not want it, then they must act, although I agree that it would be insensistive to build it there, and there may well be a hidden reason to build it anyway, that does not in itself stop it being built.
Unless of course reasons for refusal can be made legitimately in line with American laws.

Dermot in one breath you say America was built on religious freedom, but in the next, because 63% oppose something that one religion wants to (legally) do, it should not happen. That doesn't fit my definition of "freedom".

I note you ignored my analogy about building a church in Oklahoma City, where the christian Timothy McVeigh blew up 150+ people. Do you reckon 63% of American people would oppose such a church?

You may also note that I used inverted commas when describing the church ie I was using in the broadest sense.

Texpat wrote: I'm not so fervent about it but many Americans are.

I hope they decide to move it elsewhere, but if they don't, I hope the response is spectacular.

DermotC wrote:63% of Americans disagree with Both Jackspratt and nkstan. The animals who perpertrated the 9/11 bombings did it in the name of Islam. Thats not me saying that, its them. While I agree that most Muslims were outraged by that, to build a mosque, as id already said above is literally a stones throw from the WTC( a 60 second walk guys, remember I worked on Parl Place for 7 years) that close to where 2000 people were killed by people proclaiming to be Muslim! Im not saying dont build it, just move it a few blocks north.

And nkstan where did I say that Islam was responsible for the 9/11 bombings anyway?

Why Am I upset, becasue my best friend was killed in 9/11. He worked for Cantor Fitzgerald!

I hope Ive answered your questions, by the way Jackspratt, I worked in Kuwait for 3 years also, If you called a Mosque a church there you'd be put right very quick! Obviously Ive nothing against Muslims! But what I do have is sensitivity to everyone of those grieving familie that were left behind!

I am sorry about your friend as I am sorry about the others that died,were physically and emotionally injured from this infamous outrageous terrorist act,including family and friend survivors!!The fact that they were Islamic extremist,shouldn't cause people to discriminate against the religion of Islam that are not of this terrorist extremist persuasion!From the reports that I have heard and read,the Inman of this particular mosque is not of that persuasion and actually condemns the actions of the terrorist amongst his followings,including his interpretation of the sayings or nonsayings in the Koran that are use by the extremists to justify their actions!

IMO,we can not change the views of young Muslims towards the West,only the Muslim leadership can accomplsh that over time!We should be assisting them ,not creating more terrorist by discriminatory actions that accuse or suggest Islam is somehow responsible for 9/11 and that all Muslims deserve punishment and ostracization in America!

The condemnation and discrimination towards group of people because of the actions of some is ignorant,stupid,misguided and inflamatory,rather than healing or reconcilitory!63% of Americas that think this way should be ashamed and look at themselves in the mirror!But I have no faith that will happen because,IMO,the World population is growing more selfish and selfserving everyday!Besides,the poll to reach the 63% is probably skewed in a way to insure that a majority position is shown,but again it might be accurate as many on the forum think the same way!

DermotC, I didn't state that You ''said''Islam was responsible for the bombings!But your opposition to the Mosque infers that you do,IMO!Interesting that you didn't respond to JS's question regarding Oklahoma city bombing!Plus it doen't make sense that you are opposed to the mosque,yet state that you don't hold Islam responsible!
What does''in the name of Islam'' infer?What if people thought a negative action was done in the name of ''DermotC''?Would that be a justifiable reason to discriminate agaisnt you or all DermtC's?

Jacks you have Mcveigh mixed up with some other crazy. I don't think Mcveigh was much of a religious nut he was just a regular nut that hated the government. Gore Vidale (who I hate by the way) did a pretty good job of getting into his head while he was in prison and tried to set the record straight about his actions that he believed were based on his hate of Government (he was complex and crazy).

I don't want a mosque built next to ground zero or my house for that matter. I am perfectly OK with muslims practising their religion in the closet until Im over the 9/11 thing.

Saying that it is ok for Muslims as long as they are not near to you, until one gets over the 9/11 thing, then what did the Jews do, never forgive the Germans until they are over the Genocide thing. NO they forgave and never forgot, but todays generation are not the ones that committed the crime. Appreciate that the 9/11 thing is certainly nearer than the 2nd WW but the same must be applied. never forgiving or tarnishing them all with the same brush is and will be counter-productive, if you make it an us and them situation, and considering there are considerably MORE Muslims than there are Americans then one would be in a lose lose situation.

One never condones the actions of thsoe people, but one must and should accept that the vast majority of Muslims did not agree with what happened and understand that that action has pitted the might of the western world against them or ion any rate those who use Islam as a reason for carrying on their actions.

This has been on-going far longer than America has been in existence and will no doubt carry on for many years to come. Making them feel like enemies in the country thay have been brought up in, will only serve to fuel even more tragedies all in the name of a religion.

Religion is something we all have in one form or another and in reality has caused far more deaths in its various names than anything else, so why carry, death will come to us all at one time or another, why make it sooner, because of a belief, they also believe just as fervently as we do, but in their own way, BUT hijacking a religion to justify a cause that is unacceptable, something they do rather well at the moment.
People can put it at the door of Israel and Palestine, but if my memories serve me correctly this has been ongoing since the First Crusades( about 1000 years ago I think ) and it has not really stopped since then has it. So petty fogging actions against a Mosque in New York seem pretty senseless doesn't it.
Question : For our American friends; Just how many American Muslims were killed on 9/11 in the Twin Towers and the surrounding area ?

That's not hard KP, you can Google it !

I am bye no means racist as most people realise already but i was under the impression Obama was actualy African "a sambo" as he"s Kenyan his gran knows my gran and deffo he"s from affro drug taking Bob Marley type darkie stock , he slithered his way into the US of A via Hawaii and played the race card all the way to the big white house in my opinion

Pienmash is only a humble shopkeeper but MY GRANS BETTER THAN HIS GRAN !!

A big day on the cider, Jon?

Fans of Dick Cavett (remember him?) might enjoy reading his latest column on this subject
add the www to the address
opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/real-americans-please-stand-up/

KP I have the answer to your quiz its Lots! Lots of Muslim died in the 9/11 attack. The fact that "lots" of muslims died in the attack is common knowledge just turn on the TV wait until you hear the word attack or ambush or bombing then listen for how many muslims died it does not matter where it takes place if you have a bombing anywhere in the world lots of Muslims are going to die. I must admit thou I am a little ignorant on god issues. I have worked in the middle East traveled lots and I still don't have a single muslim friend. I have tried to make Muslim friends with Muslim guys and gals but they just don't like me.

I tell lots of jokes about women and people that are different than me I suppose its sort of a security blanket ( or possible an insecurity blanket). I once even tried to go native and ate an entire plate of Hammas it went right through me, I was running around doing the Ramadan two step looking for the can I finally had to just let it rip in the street I was felling a little sheepish about that but no one even noticed, I thought that was kind of strange.

KP do you really think the Jews and the Germans are over it. Every crusty old (the less crusty ones are OK) German or Austrian bar I have had the displeasure of being in late at night talking to some crusty old German guy they still hate Jews, and the funny thing to me is they started it.

I suppose we will all never just get along but I do want to be clear I don't want a big ass round top building going up in my neighborhood that has funny noises come out of it.

Man, there's nothing like a little religious or racial discussion to bring out the worst in people! Where's Dr. Laura Schlesinger when you need her.....oops, never mind, she fell in the trap too!

Why google it when you can have all the old racist and religious rubbish here, you don't get that when you Google it.
I was in fact talking about Muslims who died in or near the twin Towers not around the world, kindly keep up theres a good chap tigerryan.