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Re: 9-11 Information ---- NON debatable please

Postby nkstan » September 2, 2010, 7:10 am

RLTrader wrote:Well, when the below is policy, it is hard not to believe the unbelievable.

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“an American citizen try to convince a federal court to stop the Government from trying, far away from a battlefield and without any violence used to resist apprehension, to murder him without due process”
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How anyone can still support this government is beyond belief.

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/08/30/assassinations/index.html

:confused: Two points come up quickly for me:Does a claim of ''alleged'' behavior,constitute a guilty as charged indictment by you?

Second,if this is gov't policy,why is a branch of the gov't(Judicial) hearing the case?
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Re: 9-11 Information ---- NON debatable please

Postby RLTrader » September 2, 2010, 9:42 am

.I wonder how much due process he showed to his victims?


Link please.

"NON debatable please"

Since this is suppose to be non debatable. One would think that a Link would be posted showing that a crime was committed and who the victims were. As far as I know this person has been charged with nothing, therefore no crime and no victims, there has been no trial on any charge. What ever happened to "innocent till proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt".

my last words on this.
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Re: 9-11 Information ---- NON debatable please

Postby Jockey » September 2, 2010, 10:48 am

DermotC wrote:So do you think then that Americans killed each other? For what purpose may i ask?


A very good question. When a crime has been committed a detective trying to solve the case will always ask "who benefits"? This 10 minute video may answer that very question very clearly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puWqNJI8Mjo
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Re: 9-11 Information ---- NON debatable please

Postby Aardvark » September 2, 2010, 11:24 am

That Vid gives some very plausible evidence of a Conspiracy =D> =D> I have another to watch sent to me by a Friend in Udon, but it's over two hours long so will have to wait till I have the time !!
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Re: 9-11 Information ---- NON debatable please

Postby jackspratt » September 2, 2010, 11:46 am

Sorry - lost me less than 1 minute into the video, when they talk about bin Laden having kidney dialysis in Dubai shortly before 9/11.


A persistent rumor asserts bin Laden received treatment for his ailing kidneys at the American Hospital in Dubai in 2001, arriving on July 4 and leaving on July 14. Among those with him, it is thought, was Dr. Ayman Zawahiri, who as well as being his personal physician is al-Qaeda's second-in-command. In an extension of this particular rumor, a CIA agent purportedly met with the terrorist at that hospital during bin Laden's ten-day course of treatment.

The CIA has flatly denied the report. Its spokeswoman, Anya Guelsher, said that it was "complete nonsense."

Bernard Koval, the director of the hospital, also denied the terrorist had been a patient there, saying "Osama bin Laden has never been here. He's never been a patient and he's never been treated here. We have no idea of his medical condition. This is too small a hospital for someone to be snuck through the backdoor."

Osama bin Laden himself, in a November 2001 interview with a Pakistani newspaper, denied reports he had been hospitalized in Dubai for kidney treatment and said "My kidneys are all right."

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/kidney.asp


I wonder if Ronnie is reading all this? :D
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Re: 9-11 Information ---- NON debatable please

Postby Aardvark » September 2, 2010, 11:56 am

Almost Guaranteed Jack :D
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Re: 9-11 Information ---- NON debatable please

Postby Jockey » September 2, 2010, 12:33 pm

"The CIA has flatly denied the report. Its spokeswoman, Anya Guelsher, said that it was "complete nonsense."

What a surprise! :lol:
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Re: 9-11 Information ---- NON debatable please

Postby jackspratt » September 2, 2010, 1:01 pm

Did you miss the bit about what the hospital said?

Of course, it is possible that Mr Koval is just another of the probably 50,000 or more people who are part of this "conspiracy". :roll:
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Re: 9-11 Information ---- NON debatable please

Postby Jockey » September 2, 2010, 1:49 pm

jackspratt - just to rewind - someone posted the question "who benefits from 9/11" and I offered the 10 minute video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puWqNJI8Mjo but it seems you gave up watching it after only 1 minute because you don't believe Bin Laden was treated in a Dubai Hospital 2 months before 9/11. I'm sorry, but using this as an excuse to give up on the video after just 1 minute makes me suspect you just don't want to know.

Le Figaro who reported the story is a well known respected French newspaper, and this story was repeated over Radio France International. According to "an authoritative source," Le Figaro contends that Osama arrived in Dubai on July 4, from Quetta, Pakistan, by air. The world's most wanted man was taken from the airport to the hospital, where he underwent treatment for a kidney ailment. Aside from boggling the mind, this makes a certain amount of sense: after all, reports that he has been on a dialysis machine are rife, and Qatar seems to be a key locus of terrorist activity. Furthermore, the Le Figaro account is very specific: it names the doctor who supposedly treated Osama, a Dr. Terry Callaway, who repeatedly declined to comment. So, if it's not true, why not say so? The hospital has denied it, as has the CIA, but Le Figaro and RFI are not only standing by their story, they're also adding a few more juicy details by naming the CIA agent who visited him.

Whether you believe the story to be true or not, the point of the video was to answer the question "who benefited from the 9/11 attacks" and if you had watched the other 9 minutes the answer to that question might have become apparent to you! \:D/
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Re: 9-11 Information ---- NON debatable please

Postby jackspratt » September 2, 2010, 2:25 pm

Jockey your link was to just another of the hundreds, if not thousands of 9/11 "conspiracy" videos that clutter the internet.

I have seen enough of them by now that for a new one to catch my attention (ie worth watching for me), it will need have have some credibility. Almost the first "fact" they quote ie dialysis in Dubai, lacks that credibility (as does the entire conspiracy theory), so it is switch-off time for me.

I am not trying to dissuade you from your beliefs, but more so, trying to provide some balance for others reading this thread.

ps it is far from established that bin Laden is on dialysis. Reports in newspapers are interesting, but not necessarily credible.

You might also want to give some more thought to the sheer magnitude of the cover-up/conspiracy that is implicit in the beliefs of the "truthers".
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Re: 9-11 Information ---- NON debatable please

Postby parrot » September 2, 2010, 7:59 pm

Theory smeary. Until someone of Daniel Ellsberg credibility or even a wikileaks expose provides some evidence, I'm not about to subject myself to watching cartoons of some wackos spouting the latest invasion of UFO theory. If I spent all my time on those videos, I'd have no time to uncover the truth behind Obama's religion or birthplace. :confused:
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Re: 9-11 Information ---- NON debatable please

Postby Philip101 » September 2, 2010, 8:55 pm

Building #7!!! Why did they cover it up??? if it was a disaster commited by islamic teroists....why wouldnt you mention it??? youve got no reoson not too...

they didnt mention it because they blew it up, it calapsed exactly like the twin towers.
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Re: 9-11 Information ---- NON debatable please

Postby Jockey » September 4, 2010, 9:41 pm

Philip101 wrote:Building #7!!! Why did they cover it up??? if it was a disaster commited by islamic teroists....why wouldnt you mention it??? youve got no reoson not too...

they didnt mention it because they blew it up, it calapsed exactly like the twin towers.


Exactly! how could these fires demolish the building in under 10 seconds?

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Consider the facts:
The BBC reported on TV the building had collapsed 20 minutes before it collapsed.
The fires in WTC 7 were not evenly distributed, so a perfect collapse was impossible.
Explosions occurred in WTC 7 before it sustained any damage from the twin towers' collapses.
Silverstein said to the fire department commander "the smartest thing to do is pull it."
Firefighters withdrawing from the area stated the building was going to "blow up".
The building subsequently collapsed perfectly into its footprint.

There can be only one conclusion as to what happened to WTC 7 - it was demolished - a controlled demolition.

Molten steel and partially evaporated steel members were found in the debris.
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Re: 9-11 Information ---- NON debatable please

Postby jackspratt » September 4, 2010, 10:19 pm

If you want to see the rest of the photos of WTC7 (not just the one above, selectively chosen by the truthers), have a look here: http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_fire.html

Looks like a pretty big fire to me. :D
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Re: 9-11 Information ---- NON debatable please

Postby Jockey » September 5, 2010, 8:53 pm

We use steel frying pans and steel pots to cook and we use steel for heaters, both items using naked flame against steel. What type of heat , no matter how ferocious the fires were reputed to be, could be so intense, as to heat the steel beams which of course are much more thicker than cooking pans, and to heat them so intensly, that these huge steel beams all melted symultaniously and collapsed the 3 buildings at the WTC in a manner similar to controlled demolitions? Strange that there have been much more intense fires all over the world burning on all floors for over 24 hours and in all occasions the steel beams hardly buckled and in all occasions the structure of the buildings remained in tact. Only 3 high rise steel framed buildings have ever reputedly collapsed because of fire. Strange that these 3 buildings that supposedly collapsed because of fire all happened on the same day.

So here we have another rediculous explanation similar to the hundreds of other 9/11 rediculous "coincidences" we are supposed to swallow , believe and shut up about. The fact the official version of events turn physics as we know it on its head, don't stop gullible people believing in the official scientifically impossible "pancake" explanation.

Compare the pictures of the WTC7 fires to the High Rise Beijing fire of last year:

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This building did not collapse, in fact NO steel framed high rise building has ever collapsed because of fire but Bush and Co resisted any inquiry into 9/11 for 411 days because "they already knew what happened on 9/11" - now that I believe! ;) Think about it, 3 high rise steel framed buildings collapse in a similar manner to controlled demolitions, but the Bush administration fought very hard to have no inquiry whatsover and only relented due to pressure from the victims families.

Ask yourself, if you are a free thinker and not someone who believes only what you are told to believe, what are we to understand globally of the performance of protected steel framed building high rise structures in fire situations? There has been over a hundred examples world-wide, and now the Beijing fire suggest the high rise steel framed buildings perform well, are robust and do not suffer global collapse. Structurally they survive.

In contrast, three high rise structures collapsed due to fire on 9/11/01. WTC1, WTC2 and WTC7 collapsed due to fires generating a fraction of the heat occurring in the Beijing fire. WTC7 in particular collapsed at virtual free-fall speed into its own footprint although it was not struck by any aircraft. How do you really think this happened?

Are we supposed to ignore the hundreds of witnesses who experienced and heard explosions and what sounded like bombs going off prior to all 3 building collapses?
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