Does anyone else feel ashamed about what we did in Iraq?

by **old-timer** » September 1, 2010, 4:06 pm

Jockey wrote: Maybe you like Hitler too?

I think he had a bit of a short temper ?

OT........... $\:D/$

by **Aardvark** » September 1, 2010, 4:48 pm

Texpat wrote:What does Bin Laden have to do with Iraq? (see thread title)
Terrorists have been around forever. That some might target the world's sole superpower is hardly a surprise.
A lot of people are irritated that America is as strong as it is.

meh~

Tex, don't get too carried away: they are only as strong as their Allies

alone the USA is nothing (no offence intended) By the way, the Irish Invented Modern Terrorism, Bastards

by **UdonExpat** » September 1, 2010, 6:48 pm

In answer to the thread title, yes.

A superpower can just as easily be a superbully.

by **LoveDaBlues** » September 2, 2010, 7:28 am

Jockey wrote:
old-timer wrote:
Jockey wrote:[Are you aware of the Bush families close friendship and business ties with the Bin Laden family and are you aware of the Bush family connection with the German fascists? ]

From time to time OT cannot prevent himself from doing a double back flip off his chair with laughter. Jockey - was it your family doctor that removed your brain ?

OT.......... $\:D/$

Hey OT - I've not been using this forum long but long enough to establish you seem to be quite active on here mostly insulting people and winding people up! Good for you, whatever "floats your boat"!

It would seem from your reply you have absolutely no idea that the Bush family have strong links with the Bin Laden family. Sorry to spoil your fun and blissful ignorance, but if you watch this you'll see the facts are they have very strong ties: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXk0LFVAgHE

I'm also surprised you seem to be unaware of Prescott Bush (GWB grand father) links to the Nazi's? It is a historical FACT that Prescott Sheldon Bush had aided and abetted Adolph Hitler and the Nazi's. He was charged with the crime of TRADING WITH THE ENEMY under the TRADING WITH THE ENEMY ACT, and spent time in prison. This is ONE REASON why George Bush Sr. collects Nazi memorbilia, and why there is an occult altar to Hitler in the SKULL AND BONES clubhouse. For four generations now, the Bush family has been involved in supporting the country's enemies (most notably the Nazi Party in Germany) and robbing the country blind. The family was directly involved and profited from the Savings and Loan scandal of the 1980s and has participated in security fraud as well. With this understanding as a background, the Iraq War can be viewed as their "masterpiece." The Bush family and its associates have stolen countless billions of dollars in the course of the war. In fact, one of their motivations for pushing the war in the first place was the opportunity for theft. Chances are the destruction of World Trade Tower Seven, the home of crucial and now lost forever SEC and other federal law enforcement evidence and case files was carried out to cover their tracks.

So OT - you say you like Bush. Maybe you like Hitler too?

Press Bush never spent time in prison. He did support the Nazi regime and yes of course his son has made millions from the bin Laden family.

http://tarpley.net/online-books/george- ... r-project/

by **Jockey** » September 2, 2010, 11:22 am

LoveDaBlues wrote:
Press Bush never spent time in prison. He did support the Nazi regime and yes of course his son has made millions from the bin Laden family.

http://tarpley.net/online-books/george- ... r-project/

Thank you for the correction LoveDaBlues. I should have wrote "he should have spent time in prison"!

Prescott Bush was also involved with other conspirators in a planned coup for a corporate fascist takeover of America, as revealed in the famous book "THE PLOT TO SEIZE THE WHITE HOUSE" by Jules Archer

A quote from inside the book, telling us all that nothing much has changed, has it?:
"You know, the American people will swallow that. We have got the newspapers. We will start a campaign that the President's health is failing. Everybody can tell that by looking at him, and the dumb American people will fall for it in a second." - bond salesman Gerald C. MacGuire to Major General Smedley Darlington Butler, 1934

The plot might have succeeded but true patriot General Smedley Butler blew the whistle on them.

Strange that a guy who colluded with the Nazis and was part of an attempted fascist takeover coup of America would end up having his son and grand child elected presidents of the USA!

by **Aardvark** » September 2, 2010, 11:34 am

Money Talks, but what does this have to do with the Original Tread ??

by **Texpat** » September 2, 2010, 12:00 pm

Aardvark wrote:they are only as strong as their Allies

I would say they are strong despite their allies.

by **Jockey** » September 2, 2010, 12:12 pm

Aardvark wrote:Money Talks, but what does this have to do with the Original Tread ??

Hitler invaded Poland - Bush invaded Iraq! The Iraq invasion killing millions of innocent people and destroying their country is something we should feel ashamed of in the same way the German people should be ashamed of their fascist leaders invading other countries. When you realise the president of the USA who deliberately lied to us to invade Iraq had Nazi connections and a criminal past it makes it all the more clearer the atrocity of our actions (by our I mean USA and UK military).

by **Aardvark** » September 2, 2010, 12:28 pm

Jock, you can't keep blaming the Germans for some thing that happened over 60 years ago. 99% of those in Germany today were not there and had no hand in the things you speak of ! We all know War is about Money as well as Power. It's the same discussion that's going on in the 9/11 thread. America and Israel along with their Allies (us) are making sure (we) get all the benefits of what's left in the World worth any thing which is why these People are all flocking to our Shores seeking Asylum. The only People who have the right to feel guilt imo are the poor b@st@rds who were sent there to do the dirty work, our next generation of the forgotten few who have to live with the Horrors of what they saw

by **Jockey** » September 2, 2010, 12:58 pm

Aardvark - 99.9% of the population of the world want peace. You say "we all know war is about money as well as power." I agree with you, but I have to ask why are we then always taken in by the lies and deceit of the other 0.01% of the population ? The 2nd world war lasted 6 years. How long is this so-called "war on terror" going to last? It's in its 9th year now! Its the warmongers dream. We have an enemy we can't readily identify and all the evil warmongers need to do is keep killing innocents to stoke the fires of war. For example using drone planes to destroy villages and even wedding receptions, then any survivors who see their homes and families wiped out have nothing left in their souls but to fight back. We call these people demented "terrorists".

The Taliban continues to be funded by the Pentagon to keep the Afghan war going. Bit by bit the truth is leaked out by the soldiers. I've read there is now more ruthless out of control mercenary soldiers in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq, than there are regular army keeping the fake war going, their insane criminal activities never properly reported by the controlled mainstream media. The world is a mess. The USA and its accomplices are no more than looters and spreaders of hate and violence in the middle east. It shocks me that so many decent people are taken in by the lies that justify the atrocities that are being committed in the name of "freedom". In our name.

by **nkstan** » September 2, 2010, 2:20 pm

Jockey wrote:Aardvark - 99.9% of the population of the world want peace. You say "we all know war is about money as well as power." I agree with you, but I have to ask why are we then always taken in by the lies and deceit of the other 0.01% of the population ? The 2nd world war lasted 6 years. How long is this so-called "war on terror" going to last? It's in its 9th year now! Its the warmongers dream. We have an enemy we can't readily identify and all the evil warmongers need to do is keep killing innocents to stoke the fires of war. For example using drone planes to destroy villages and even wedding receptions, then any survivors who see their homes and families wiped out have nothing left in their souls but to fight back. We call these people demented "terrorists".

The Taliban continues to be funded by the Pentagon to keep the Afghan war going. Bit by bit the truth is leaked out by the soldiers. I've read there is now more ruthless out of control mercenary soldiers in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq, than there are regular army keeping the fake war going, their insane criminal activities never properly reported by the controlled mainstream media. The world is a mess. The USA and its accomplices are no more than looters and spreaders of hate and violence in the middle east. It shocks me that so many decent people are taken in by the lies that justify the atrocities that are being committed in the name of "freedom". In our name.

99.9% want peace :lol:

They don't realize that they are part of the .01%,because they take positions about facts that are not really facts,but suppositions,innuedos,questionable irrelevant historic links and twiste sun falsehoods to maintain their beliefs,until eventually,they fight about it and call it war.Your sources are questionable at best,that si why none of the mainstream liberal media or the Democratic party used this **** against the Bush presidency bids!Get real :roll:

by **Texpat** » September 2, 2010, 2:25 pm

The war on terror in its ninth year? Really?
Israel's war on terror has been going on much longer than that.
As mentioned, the IRA has been in the terror game for decades.
If you're talking about the US fight against islamic extremist fundamentalist jihadis, I would suggest it started long before 9-11. Khobar Towers...USS Cole...African embassies... all before 9-11.

And the war in Iraq (checking the thread title again) had little to do with terrorism, except that foreign fighters didn't have as far to travel in their quest to become martyrs. They died in Iraq instead of dying in America.

I have to laugh at these conspiracy nutters. They really just seek attention.

by **DermotC** » September 2, 2010, 9:17 pm

Texpat I have to correct you about the IRA, first of all the IRA you are referring to was called the Provos or Provisional IRA, The provos are now a defunked organisation and have been for quite a while so they are no longer in the terror game! There are splinter groups such as the 'Real IRA' who have no support or mandate from the people. The Provos had alot of support but again they are no longer involved in terrorist activities

I do agree with you view on conspiracy nutters however!

by **DermotC** » September 2, 2010, 9:23 pm

Texpat, I just saw your previous question, I was on the ground there in Iraq for a year. I dont know if you would call me better informed but from what i could tell most of the insurgents fighting there were fighting against a foreign power on Iraqi soil and called themselves freedom fighters. Something to remember One man terrorist in anothers freedom fighter.

by **hangsaboot** » September 3, 2010, 2:18 am

I was on the ground there in Iraq for a year. I dont know if you would call me better informed but from what i could tell most of the insurgents fighting there were fighting against a foreign power on Iraqi soil and called themselves freedom fighters. Something to remember One man terrorist in anothers freedom fighter.[/quote]

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