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Pound soars

Postby arjay » October 21, 2009, 10:07 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8317879.stm
Pound soars on Bank meeting notes

The pound has rallied after the Bank of England said its monetary policy committee voted 9-0 earlier this month not to pump more cash into the economy.

The pound was up 1.8% against the dollar at $1.6630, and up 1.1% against the euro at 1.1087 euros.


The MPC was also unanimous in agreeing to keep interest rates on hold at 0.5%.

The decision not to inject more money was seen as a positive sign that the UK economy was recovering and did not need further help from the central bank.

Figures out on Friday could show that the UK has exited recession.

The Bank agreed that it would not extend its £175bn programme of quantitative easing (QE), but would keep it "under review".

The committee said that QE had had a "substantial" impact, but all members agreed that "recent developments were not sufficiently compelling to justify revising the target level of asset purchases that had been agreed in August".

The Bank raised the total amount of funds for QE by £50bn to £175bn in August, although Governor Mervyn King and two other policymakers had argued for a £75bn extension.

The Bank publishes the minutes of its meetings on monetary policy two weeks after the event.

On Tuesday, Mr King said that a fundamental rethink of how UK banks are structured was needed.

In a speech in Edinburgh, he said some banks might have to split their core business from riskier practices, so they did not get too big to be allowed to fail.


That's good news.

The £ has been going up for the last 3 days. Currently on the BBC website it's showing:

1.66250 to US$ 1 dollar
55.62390 to 1 baht
1.10770 to 1 Euro
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Re: Pound soars

Postby JimboPSM » October 21, 2009, 10:46 pm

In my view it is not so much that it has soared, but that it has recovered from the fall that it had after the deeply flawed reporting of a speech by Mervyn King on his visit to the North East of England in September – something I covered in this thread on the 28th September: the-pound-soars-t13530-30.html

It is probably fair to say that the minutes of the latest Bank of England Monetary Policy Committee meeting (which were released today) along with the text of an excellent (in my opinion) speech given by Mervyn King in Edinburgh yesterday which contained a recommendation along the lines of the former Glass-Steagall Act (a US Act) have also probably helped the GBP today.

Links for the BoE Minutes and the Mervyn King Edinburgh speech:

I strongly recommend reading the Edinburgh speech.
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Re: Pound soars

Postby Bandung_Dero » October 22, 2009, 7:25 am

I wouldn't call it soaring either, a couple of percentage points is just a correction. When it gets back to 72 Baht that adjective may be appropriate.

Now the AUD from 22.5 to 30.8 Baht or 65 to 92 US Cents in a few months THAT'S SOARING. =D> =D> =D>
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Re: Pound soars

Postby mortiboy » October 22, 2009, 9:25 am

"When it gets back to 72 Baht that adjective may be appropriate."
Cant see that ever happen! If it did, It wouldn't just be the pound soaring, but the Thailand exports!along with more employment for Thai's
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Re: Pound soars

Postby arjay » October 22, 2009, 10:00 am

The pounds has soared - sorry delete that - "recovered" some ground against the Euro too.

This morning: -
55.61 against the Baht
1.10720 against the Euro

Bangkok Bank website currently gives 55.22
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Re: Pound soars

Postby BobHelm » October 22, 2009, 10:07 am

Interesting piece by Mr. King Jimbo, thank you for posting it.
What happens next to UK banking will be the real test I think & it is a pity that (really) nothing has changed since the Ayr Bank collapse all those years ago.....
As far as the GBP/Baht is concerned I would be pleased to get back to a rate over 60. In fairness I see nothing in the UK or USA economy at the moment that warrants much of a surge.
People may complain that the Baht is being held at a artificial high and maybe there is some truth in that. However the Thai economy is in nothing like the mess that the UK economy has just gone through. I notice Mr. King does not quote too many figures in his speech and I think that was deliberate as any he did quote would probably NOT show the UK Economy in much of a favorable light and certainly would not help the GBP recovery abroad... :(
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Re: Pound soars

Postby JimboPSM » October 23, 2009, 8:46 pm

Well, if you blinked, you missed it.

The release today of the provisional UK Q3 GDP figures brought the soaring qualities of Icarus to the GBP :(

Intraday chart for GBP/USD from BBC Business:
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Intraday chart for GBP/THB from BBC Business:
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All the forecasts I had seen were for a rise not a fall in UK GDP - the figures were a surprise to me as they do not appear to stack up with my interpretation of recent business and economic news - just shows how easy it is for me (and many others) to be wrong :(

I'm not the only one slightly confused, this is an extract from Stephanie Flanders (the BBC's economics editor) blog:

There's been a rapid response to today's figures from Ben Broadbent, of Goldman Sachs, who has long argued that the ONS was understating the strength of the economy.

To say he thinks the figures should be treated with a grain of salt would be an understatement:

"Do today's data tell us anything about what is really going on in the economy? Probably not. In the past, the ONS's early GDP estimates have contained no statistically useful information about growth. In the 10 years to 2007Q4 (the latest quarter for which we have fully reconciled UK GDP data), the correlation between quarterly GDP growth according to the first release and quarterly GDP growth based on the most recent data is only 0.10. In a regression of the latest quarterly growth on the first quarterly estimate, the coefficient on the early official estimate is not significant. The correlation between the UK's latest data and the Euro-zone's first release is much higher, with a correlation coefficient of 0.34. Amazingly, if one wants to know in real time what is happening in the UK economy, it has been better to follow the Euro-zone's early GDP estimates than the UK's GDP estimates.

"The data also run contrary to pretty much every other indicator of UK growth. The Composite PMI - which has historically been a more reliable indicator of UK growth than the ONS's preliminary estimate - is consistent with growth of +0.7%qoq."

For the non-statisticians amongst you, the shorthand way to express those correlation numbers would be that you'd not be much worse off tossing a coin to find out where the economy was headed.

As the Q3 GDP figures are actually only provisional it will be interesting to see how much they may be revised at a later date.

Conspiracy theorists might like to speculate how a chunk of bad news conveniently appears when the GBP appears to be gaining upward momentum or conversely good news appears when gaining downward momentum :? - Citizens of other countries may well feel the same about what happens with their currencies as well.
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Re: Pound soars

Postby arjay » October 23, 2009, 11:06 pm

Yes, I spotted that Jimbo, ... the figures that came out today were down as opposed to up, as had been anticipated, ....and .... lo and behold, sure enough, .... down went the good old £ pound, ..... red all over the place! :oops:

Fortunately, I did my transferring from sterling on tuesday, wednesday & thursday, so was able to breathe a sigh of relief. ;) :D
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Re: Pound soars

Postby arjay » October 24, 2009, 9:56 am

Bloomberg's take on the falls of yesterday:-
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... KO56AYkcvQ

Pound Falls, Reverses Weekly Gain, as U.K. Stays in Recession

By Matthew Brown and Morwenna Coniam

Oct. 23 (Bloomberg) -- The pound fell the most in six months against the euro after a report showed the U.K. failed to exit the recession in the third quarter, giving the central bank more reason to keep enacting emergency measures to spur growth.

Britain’s currency also slid the most in a month versus the dollar, retreating from the highest level in more than five weeks, after the Office for National Statistics said gross domestic product dropped 0.4 percent from the previous three months. Economists in a Bloomberg survey predicted a 0.2 percent increase. Gilts rose and yields on short-sterling futures fell as traders pared bets that the Bank of England will raise interest rates.

“It’s going to be quite difficult to hike rates and no doubt expectations of more quantitative easing will be fanned on the back of this news,” said Jeremy Stretch, a senior currency strategist in London at Rabobank International. “That will be another weight on sterling.”

The pound dropped 1.6 percent versus the euro, to 91.92 pence as of 4:41 p.m. in London, its sharpest slide since April 24. Sterling also fell 1.7 percent to $1.6339, the biggest decline since Sept. 24. It was 0.9 percent lower in the week against the euro and little changed versus the dollar.

Britain’s economy has now shrunk for six quarters, the longest period of contraction since records began in 1955, making it more likely the Bank of England will retain its 175 billion-pound ($292 billion) program of bond purchases and keep its benchmark interest rate at a record low of 0.5 percent.
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Re: Pound soars

Postby arjay » October 24, 2009, 10:10 am

And the Times had this to say:

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/b ... 888402.ece

Shock figures showing that Britain is still struggling through recession sent the pound plunging and threw fresh doubt over Alistair Darling’s plans to cut the national debt.

The City and Downing Street were stunned as output data revealed that the economy shrank by 0.4 per cent between July and September — an unprecedented sixth consecutive quarter of decline.

The figures dashed predictions that Britain was emerging from recession and dealt a blow to Gordon Brown’s hopes of an economic recovery taking root before the election. The pound, which had been trading at €1.111 and $1.6693, collapsed against the currencies to €1.087 and $1.6323.

Economists had predicted that output was growing by 0.2 per cent.


All a rather disappointing setback, methinks. :(
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Re: Pound soars

Postby JimboPSM » October 24, 2009, 10:53 am

Economists frequently come to different conclusions when assessing the same information – however it is most unusual for them all to be so fundamentally wrong in the same way on these kind of figures (and from my own half-baked analysis, I was just as wrong :oops: ).

As I said previously, it will be interesting to see if and how these provisional figures are revised at a later date.

If there is a major revision it will raise serious doubts and questions about the methodology used to produce the provisional figures.

If there isn’t a major revision many people (including me) will be getting splinters in our fingers as we scratch our heads wondering how we could have been so wrong #-o
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Re: Pound soars

Postby JimboPSM » October 27, 2009, 1:31 am

A little bit of optimism for GBP battered Brits - extracts from an article on Bloomberg:

Pound Is Poised for Goldman Rally....

Oct. 26 (Bloomberg) -- The U.K. pound, trading at the cheapest level against the euro in a decade, is making everything from Ipods to Toyotas less expensive for foreigners and turning Goldman Sachs Group Inc. into a sterling bull.

Purchasing power parity, a measure of the relative cost of goods, shows the currency is 22 percent below where it should be, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Sterling hasn’t been so inexpensive since 1999 after Bank of England Governor Mervyn King flooded the economy this year with 175 billion pounds ($285 billion) buying government bonds to keep borrowing costs from rising as the economy shrinks.

“The U.K. is cheap, its properties are cheap, its companies are cheap,” said Stephen Jen, a money manager at BlueGold Capital Management LLP in London and the former head of foreign exchange at Morgan Stanley. “Friends and family who have visited me always complained about the cost of living in London, but they have since stopped complaining.”

U.K. assets from houses to soccer clubs have been discounted as the seizure in credit markets drove the economy into its worst recession since World War II, forcing Prime Minister Gordon Brown’s government to take stakes in two of the nation’s biggest banks......

The pound’s slide is fueling mergers and acquisitions in the U.K., bringing the first net inflows to the country in three years, Bloomberg data show. The last time that happened, in 2006, the pound jumped 2.1 percent versus the euro and 13 percent against the dollar, the biggest gain in 16 years.........

Goldman Forecast
Goldman predicted this month that sterling will appreciate 9 percent versus the euro to 84 pence by year-end, and by 14 percent to $1.85, even as U.K. debt quintuples as a percentage of gross domestic product. Jen sees the currency climbing 7.6 percent to $1.75.......

Two-Month Slide
The pound fell 4.4 percent against the dollar in August and September, the steepest two-month drop this year, amid speculation King and his Bank of England colleagues favor a weaker currency and expanding the central bank’s asset-purchase program [I covered this flawed speculation and its impact in previous posts] .......

‘Ridiculously Cheap’
“Sentiment for sterling is extremely negative,” said Nigel James Rayment, a money manager in London at JPMorgan Asset Management, which oversees $1.3 trillion, including $60 billion in foreign-exchange assets. “Against the euro, it looks ridiculously cheap,” with fair value at about 80 pence, he said.

The pound may rally to $1.80 by year-end, according to Rayment, who co-manages the JPMorgan Sterling Managed Currency Plus Fund.......

Goldman Sachs advised clients to buy the pound in March, and dropped the recommendation when the currency climbed to $1.65 in June, a bet that returned 12 percent when accounting for changes in interest rates. It began backing the pound again on Oct. 15........


“The market is way too bearish on the U.K. economy and way too short sterling,” said Thomas Stolper, an economist at Goldman in London. “The Bank of England has a history of surprising the market.” King may boost rates as soon as April, said Stolper.

Barclays predicts the pound will rise about 8 percent to $1.76 in March, and gain 7.6 percent to 85 pence per euro.

“There’s more inflation pressure in the economy than people realize,” Paul Robinson, a currency strategist at Barclays Capital in London who worked as an economist at the Bank of England for 11 years until 2006. “The BOE is likely to tighten policy a bit earlier than the market thinks. Sterling has to appreciate as the clouds clear.”

To contact the reporters on this story: Ye Xie in New York at yxie6@bloomberg.net; Anchalee Worrachate in London at aworrachate@bloomberg.net Last Updated: October 26, 2009 07:18 EDT

Full article (so the bits that I edited out can be read along with those I included for their context):

Articles like this are all well and good but, in the real world of ordinary personal finance (which doesn’t use exotic financial instruments), exchange rates at any given point in time are what they are - it doesn’t matter one iota to the bank what any of us think the rates actually should be.
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