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Re: Schooling in Udon Thani

Postby KHONDAHM » November 18, 2009, 2:32 pm

Jaz wrote:I can help a bit.

DB: http://www.donbosco.ac.th/index.html
St. Mary's: http://www.st-mary.ac.th/
(note: St. Mary's contains quite a few dead links)

DB is about 5000B per year, I think.
I really do not know about St. Mary's, but I do believe it is more expensive.

I am not quite sure about the donation.
You will probably have to contact either school about specific admission information/dates.

From my understanding, they do not regulate religion in either schools. I do not know too many girls from either school, but I have a few friends who go to St. Mary's and are very much Buddhist.

Excellent! Thank you. My daughter is fluent in English (and Thai, and Isaan). I want to put her in the school with the BEST program taught primarily in English. Would you say that these schools have the best English programs? If not, then which other school is the best?
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Re: Schooling in Udon Thani

Postby laphanphon » November 18, 2009, 3:59 pm

ok, think the numbers above or wrong, DB is about 20 k a year, and st mary's is about 10 k a year, depending on grade. as far as i know, no school teaches in english, or has a good english program. the only real english she'll get is at home. written english lessons are scary enough, the conversational is worst.

my little village orphan goes to st mary's, 5th grade now, quite satisfied with that, except the english program, but she is fluent and actually competes occasionally, as the best speaker in the school. from going to the competitions, english definitely isn't a priority at any school, gov't or private.

at st mary's, which i'm personally anit-catholic, but sadly one of the better schools, and like the all girl thing, one less distraction, they do not push religion on the students, they get buddhist and christian classes, then can decide which they prefer, neither is forced on anyone. i think.
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Re: Schooling in Udon Thani

Postby KHONDAHM » November 18, 2009, 5:35 pm

Thanks for the feedback.

Darn. I was hoping for a really good English program. LOVE the prices, though! \:D/

My problem is that my daughter tends to revert to her mother's broken English or just speak Thai and Isaan a bit more often than I would prefer when I am not around. I intend to send her to the States for her higher education, but not having a solid foundation in English schooling may be a problem down the road. I do not have time to home-school her like I did when we stayed in the States for awhile. Hmmm...I'll have to figure out how to get over that hump...
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Re: Schooling in Udon Thani

Postby laphanphon » November 18, 2009, 6:45 pm

our house, english was all that was allowed in house, figure she'll get here issan anywhere, and thai in school. also dvd's in english help alot, whether movies or cartoons. we would sit and watch movies, and she would ask what they said, and i'd explain expressions and words she didn't know. they are little sponges. i wouldn't wait to long for 'higher' education. math seems real good, history here sucks, as they are changing it all the time, plus will have no reference to usa history, and science is lacking also. but sadly, one of the better schools. after 6th grade, i'm not sure how redundant the curriculum will be. i'm amazed at some of the things i see and hear, the textbooks, the teacher's interpretations. it really is sad, but again, they are a couple of the better schools.

ABC chart............e....is it egg, no....'eye'..........t...for top or table........no, t-shirt....and there was one more, but i forget, made no sense at all. science is a mix between the teachers instilled believe of voodoo BS, and textbook, some times the ignorance voodoo BS wins. history, thai history, so you know it's a lie to begin with, then they are changing the history every so often so no to offend any neighbors, or be PC correct. such as early wars between khmer empire, burmese, nan/laos were opposed to the wars being taught that they were brutal, men killed and women/children enslaved.........so they changed it so no so brutal. damn, wars back then were brutal, here and everywhere, the men are usually killed, woman and children taken as slaves workers, in every war from every empire. but not now, it is a kinder more gentler war. most don't know about the political uprising of students. or the coups, 18 of them, the every changing constitutions, along with only one PM actually finishing his term in office. it's quite a joke.............just like the news, everything is great here.

even somak, one of the last PM to get evicted, said only one person died during one uprising, though quoted at the time saying only 8. unconfirmed, possibly as many as 1500.

if you want to do your kids right, have them educated in usa, and tutored in thai, or home schooled for thai. the wife and thai movies should work.

good luck.

there's a couple threads on education, search and they may pop up. but here are some sad stats. from a discussion i had on another website about education.

Test scores fall for med school
The Nation April 7, 2009

Test scores for medical school slid slightly this year, due to the Advanced National Educational Test, which accounts for 70 per cent of admission criteria.

"This year, the Anet scores are rather low," Dr Boonmee Sathapatayavongs, chairwoman of the Consortium of Thai Medical Schools' direct admission panel, said yesterday.

"However, we've seen just a slight drop among our successful applicants."

The consortium posted the list of successful applicants in the evening on its website, http://www.cotmes.org, and its member medical schools' websites.

**Of 22,000 test-takers, only 1,491 will go to the next step - an interview with a consortium medical school.**

**Sit Assawaworarit from Triam Udom Suksa School emerged as the top scorer, with 79.12 out of 100 points. He has applied to Chulalongkorn University's Faculty of Medicine.**

**The lowest score accepted by the consortium was 52.77 for Rangsit University's Faculty of Medicine.**
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Grade-12 students perform poorly across the board in all main subjects
The Nation April 7, 2009

'Easy' test, which weighs heavily in the university-admissions system, seems to be stumping high-school seniors

Grade-12 students have performed badly in the Ordinary National Educational Test (Onet) with their average scores from the past four years below 50 per cent in all main subjects.

"The statistics show most schools still have low standards," National Institute of Educational Testing Services (NIETS) director Utumporn Jamornmann yesterday said.

NIETS has held Onet for Grade-6, Grade-9 and Grade-12 students. The Onet scores for the 2008 Academic Year have just been announced via http://www.niets.or.th and some other web sites.

To Grade-12 students, the Onet scores are very important because they count in the university-admission system.

However, NIETS has found most students could not perform well in the Onet.

From 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008 academic years, the students' average scores in Thai-language subjects were 49 out of 100. In social studies, the average scores stand at just 38.25 and students on average have scored only 30.28 in mathematics. The students' average scores in English language are also at a mere 32.12, and the average scores in science as low as 34.28.
"Onet is rather easy. Still, students can't do it well," Utumporn said.

A total of 343,859 Grade-12 students sat in the Onet in the 2008 Academic Year.

Utumporn said the Grade-12 students' Onet average scores during the past four years showed schools did not improve their services based on what Onet scores had reflected.

"Actually, school directors and teachers must make some improvements," Utumporn said, "We will send a full analysis to each school so that all schools know about their strengths and weak points. Onet scores are effective indicators".

Utumporn added that the schools would also be informed of their ranking in the country, based on their students' performance in Onet.

At the Grade-6 level, students' average scores in Thai-language, mathematics and science subjects stand at 42.02, 43.76 and 51.86 respectively for the 2008 Academic Year.

At the Grade-9 level, students' average scores in Thai-language, social studies, mathematics, English-language and science subjects are at 41.03, 41.36, 34.56, 32.63 and 39.38 respectively in the same academic year.
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some more happy test scores, thai's own evaluation, as above is thai's own assessment, so no foreign prejudice, locals trying to point out the obvious, and falling on deaf ears.

http://thainews.prd.go.th/en/news.php?id=255204100002
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Re: Schooling in Udon Thani

Postby laphanphon » November 18, 2009, 6:59 pm

case in point, the links in quoted area no longer work or have information, everything is beautiful here.

i posted it on LP thorntree, guess higher ups thought it was a bit more than tourist need to know, and deleted it. very sad. :evil:
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Re: Schooling in Udon Thani

Postby steadyjohn » November 18, 2009, 7:08 pm

Udon pit has an English program for Mathtium 1,2,3 (12 yrs - 15yrs)
Where the kids learn Science/Health, English and Maths from a native English speaker.

For mathtium 4, 5 and 6 only English is taught by foreigners.

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Re: Schooling in Udon Thani

Postby papaguido » November 18, 2009, 7:25 pm

Khondahm,

My son also 7 attends DB, tuition is under 20K a year. The standard English program is not great, which consist of one farang teacher providing instruction to about 40 students during one of their class periods. Last year we enrolled our son in an after school English program at DB. 1.5 hr on Sat & Sun, 8 students per class and cost under 2K per term. The other choice was M-F for an hour after school.
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Re: Schooling in Udon Thani

Postby BKKSTAN » November 18, 2009, 8:03 pm

:evil: :evil: :evil: My biggest gripe about Thailand.There is absolutely no desire to create an analytical thinking populace!!!!

Damn ,I wish my daughter was 7 yo again and I knew as much about this ed system as I think I do now,I would not have allowed her to get near one of these defunct babysitting services!

At 7,as LA said,they are a sponge ,learn more rapidly than any other time!

I started teaching my stepdaughter English at 8,alphabet,phonetic sounds and reading,3-4 hours a day.It was a chore and a battle as I had no experience and language was always my worst subject.after a few months ,my wife's tutor ,a 30ish Thai Uni English major was introduced for both Thai and English skills,3x a week!

She progressed rapidly,although not always happy about it.The grammar was very weak,but the communication around the house was great!

Then came the school debacles.Although,long term,the American International school of Bangkok,was outside our budget,we were able to get her into the school through a neighbor friend that was an office worker there!
She should not have been accepted because she was not proficient enough in English to keep up!It took a little over a month to see what was really happening!She was put in the back of the class and was learning zip,completely lost and scared,with NO friends!

Next school,private Thai,was a complete dog and pony show,very little instruction in any subjects and 50 % of the times I visited ,unannounced,(very insulting to them)and often,no teacher in the classroom with the students running amuck!

Next school,private,restricted access to classrooms,alot of homework,no feedback,no parent -teacher individual conferences,good grades,but difficulties with social acceptance and she didn't want to go back.Falang English teacher quit early on and was never replaced that year.

Moved to NK,put her in St.Pauls as I was told it was the best!Hi-So racist school,revolving Falang and Phillipina English teachers!Another dog and pony show school,56 students to a class,very little homework,no feedback!She was the only student that could converse in English,yet ranked 32 out of 56 gradewise.Everyone passed although she was failed in 3 classes,needed ''retesting'',where she was encouraged to ask someone the answer if she didn't know it!

After 3 years there,my neighbor,an English teacher in NK for 11 years,encouraged me to put her in his school PTK,a gov't school!He told me she was the best student in his class!Unfortunately he got seriously ill combined with some ''terminal'' disillusionment with Thailand and decided to leave for the USA!
She is in her 2nd year there,likes the social life better,but complains that the teachers don't teach most of the time ,just passing out handouts,English teacher can not speak English,no falang on staff!Midterm grades not recorded until just before the end of the year and the final grades are not available until the start of the next school year.They have no answers,only invites to parents day which consists of ''lecture'' about future plans and requests for donations :evil:

Consequently,although her vocabulary has increased over time,her pronunciation has greatly deteriorated and her grammar has not improved.As a 17 yr old ,she spends most of her time speaking Thai with other teenagers and less time talking English with us!

I made alot of mistakes in her education guidance and I wish I could do it over!

Good luck with your daughter,KHONDAHM
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Re: Schooling in Udon Thani

Postby Texpat » November 18, 2009, 8:25 pm

I would never try to raise an English-speaking child in Thailand. Much less, one who expects to transfer to a Western university/college.

Thai education is, comparatively, rubbish. My opinion.
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Re: Schooling in Udon Thani

Postby KHONDAHM » November 18, 2009, 8:34 pm

The "English program" (their terminology), a pilot program in the government-run school where she is at now in Pattaya, teaches all subjects in English with one Thai language class for 51k per term (102k for the year). Sorry, this is what I am referring to by "English program" - not just a single "English class".

I supposed "English curriculum" would have been more correct for me to say. Any schools in Udon have an English curriculum for P3?

I would hate for her to switch from being the top student to falling behind due to her English written/reading skills being superior to her Thai written skills. I would think there would be enough interest among parents and foreign teachers to have at least one of the schools offer a full English curriculum. Sure it may cost a bit more, but that means foreign teachers should receive higher wages, too.

Anyway, if there are any teachers reading this post, I would be happy to pay a premium for my daughter to participate in an English curriculum. Perhaps you can discuss with other teachers in the area and canvass the parents to determine if there is enough interest and means. Cheers!
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Re: Schooling in Udon Thani

Postby KHONDAHM » November 18, 2009, 8:48 pm

BKKSTAN wrote:I made alot of mistakes in her education guidance and I wish I could do it over!

Good luck with your daughter,KHONDAHM

Oh, noes...! You are confirming my fears. I appreciate the enlightenment your story offers.

Crap... :-k

Stay in Pattaya - the area/environment sucks. Move to Udon - the schools suck. Move back to USA - life sucks....
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Re: Schooling in Udon Thani

Postby Texpat » November 18, 2009, 8:48 pm

Sadly misinformed, Khon...

The kids here speak Lao, learn Thai, pretend English -- unless they have incredibly strong influence outside school. Not a slam on teachers, rather a personal observation.

BTW, Isaan is no more a unique language than Tex-Mex is.
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Re: Schooling in Udon Thani

Postby Jaz » November 18, 2009, 8:58 pm

KHONDAHM wrote:I supposed "English curriculum" would have been more correct for me to say. Any schools in Udon have an English curriculum for P3?


Someone mentioned Udonpit's English Program for M1,2, and 3 and I believe that it is a decent program. My sister is in it and her English is pretty brilliant.

Unfortunately, after M3, there is no such thing as an English Program, but Udonpit offers Gifted English classes taught by foreigners. The Gifted program is taught very well.
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Re: Schooling in Udon Thani

Postby KHONDAHM » November 18, 2009, 9:03 pm

Texpat wrote:Sadly misinformed, Khon...

Perhaps more hopeful than misinformed, but Yep!

We are not moving to Udon until 10/2010, but I'm doing my reconnaissance now. Oh, I've learned! :roll:

I'll figure something out. At one time while homeschooling her back in the USA, I was planning on faking a USA address (easy to do) and enrolling her in online school while we lived in Thailand.

http://www.connectionsacademy.com/home.aspx

But, that would require more time on my part than I have available what with me traveling often again. Decisions, decisions... :-k
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Re: Schooling in Udon Thani

Postby Texpat » November 18, 2009, 9:20 pm

I have a brother-in-law who finished HS in Nong Khai around 2003. Four years of English.
Graduated from Rajabhat Udon in 2007 with a bachelor's degree in accounting.
Held a job for six months at the Nong Khai land office. Let go -- like a McDonalds fry cook. See ya. No thanks.

To be honest, he majored in accounting, minored in English. He can't recite his address in English.

All this nonsense about Thais learning English, in my estimation, is complete rubbish.

Sure there's an odd student here and there who seems to excel and rightly should progress, but the sad truth is that most 17-year-old English students can't tell you their name without withering and melting into a puddle of messiness -- before they run off and swear never to speak to another farang.
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