Smoking in Restaurants (Part 2)

It's always amused me that when an establishment designates a no smoking area you invariably have to pass through the smoking area to access it. DUH.

wokkawombat wrote:I visited the Irish Clock last night for the first time since Marlee and Steve took over. The meal and surroundings were good and economical but I could not get far enough away from the smokers to really enjoy my time there. Airconditioning, filtration and signs were not enough to stop the cloud.

Typically, if you go in for a meal during the day time and early evening - before 6:00 PM - you should not have too much problem with smoke. May be three or four there that may be smoking, but that would be about all.

Friday and Saturday nights are typically busy for all restaurants - especially later in the evening. The Bar / Restaurant combination is going to typically have a larger percentage of drinkers than diners later in the evening, which of course means more smoke.

Steve does try to make the establishment habitable for all patrons - and is strict about the "no smoking line" that has been set up. Unfortunately, he can't cater to everyone's desires or needs.

Give it a try earlier in the afternoon or evening - and you shouldn't have any complaints about smoke.

Typically, if you go in for a meal during the day time and early evening - before 6:00 PM - you should not have too much problem with smoke. May be three or four there that may be smoking, but that would be about all.

I endorse this , I went in for an early meal a few times with my friends (all of us Non Smokers) and had no problems ,

It's always amused me that when an establishment designates a no smoking area you invariably have to pass through the smoking area to access it. DUH.

Think of it the other way round, if the Non Smoking area was first then the cig totin smokers would be passing through on their way in/out of the bar, I think Steve's got it right.

Doc wrote:Steve does try to make the establishment habitable for all patrons - and is strict about the "no smoking line" that has been set up. Unfortunately, he can't cater to everyone's desires or needs.

Unfortunately the smoke hasn't been briefed on the precise demarkation line between the smoking and non-smoking areas.

And Arjay - it simply isn't going to happen.

As I said in so many words before: When the non / anti - smoking crowd can demonstrate to an establishment that they will make up the losses from banning the smokers - then you won't have anything to complain about.

Was at the Clock tonight and there were about 12 diners - all sitting in the smoking section and 80% of them were smoking - and about 5 smokers at the bar. In the non-smoking section - there were a total of 4 people.

When you can get 20 to 30 non-smokers into a place on a regular and daily basis who spend as much as the smokers do on food and drink - I am confident that you will control the place. Until then - the demarkation line bwteen the smoking and non-smoking areas will continue to remain "smokey."

Doc wrote:And Arjay - it simply isn't going to happen.

. Until then - the demarkation line bwteen the smoking and non-smoking areas will continue to remain "smokey."

Unless of course the authorities decide to impose the law rigorously.

not a topic about smoking again
i am a none smoker and have never really notice to much smoke around in irish clock(but i do sit in a area where it is a none smoking area) but i have in other busy restaurants.
i have notice that some people are complaining about being to much smoke where they are, and here they are sitting next to somebody who is smoking a cigar in a smoking area.
it is like the old saying goes ,if you dont like it move on.
that is just my thoughts anyhow
p.s mali and steve keep up with the good work.

"Think of it the other way round, if the Non Smoking area was first then the cig totin smokers would be passing through on their way in/out of the bar, I think Steve's got it right."

Can't comprehend this logic, if it is a non smoking area, sensible intelligent folks will smoke there.

"As I said in so many words before: When the non / anti - smoking crowd can demonstrate to an establishment that they will make up the losses from banning the smokers - then you won't have anything to complain about.

Pure speculation - I worked for an Airline that was the in the U.S. to ban smoking on ALL of their flights. Guess what, contrary to popular opinion bookings increased and ALL the other Airlines implemented the same rule;o)

And now the corrected version.

"Think of it the other way round, if the Non Smoking area was first then the cig totin smokers would be passing through on their way in/out of the bar, I think Steve's got it right."

Can't comprehend this logic, if it is a non smoking area, sensible intelligent folks will NOT smoke there.

"As I said in so many words before: When the non / anti - smoking crowd can demonstrate to an establishment that they will make up the losses from banning the smokers - then you won't have anything to complain about."

Pure speculation - I worked for an Airline that was the FIRST in the U.S. to ban smoking on ALL of their flights. Guess what, contrary to popular opinion bookings increased and ALL the other Airlines implemented the same rule;o)

Doc wrote:As I said in so many words before: When the non / anti - smoking crowd can demonstrate to an establishment that they will make up the losses from banning the smokers - then you won't have anything to complain about.

Doc's hypothesis always assume that the smokers are in the majority. In reality I suspect that the non-smokers are in the majority, but have chosen to vote with their feet (and go elsewhere) when they see a large congregation of smokers already entrenched in an establishment.......... I certainly do.

Maybe some establishments should trial a non-smokers night and see what happens (once it gets known about) Maybe you wouldn't be able to get in the door.

I think Jetdoc's hit the nail on the head in the last paragraph of his proceeding post.

jetdoc wrote:........ I worked for an Airline that was the FIRST in the U.S. to ban smoking on ALL of their flights. Guess what, contrary to popular opinion bookings increased ......

They may have done, but not from me, fortunately I had the seniority to be able to pick my flights.

I changed from using US airlines and changed routings as far as possible to ensure getting smoking flights for as long as possible.

I had to plan my trips much further in advance to reserve a smoking seat as they sold out rapidly.

What a brilliant idea Arjay!I wonder if the financial situations of the owners prevent them from attempting to run trial or permanent nonsmoking nights?
The Irish clock has such good hosts and outstanding food,it is a shame that people sensitive to smoke,have to avoid this venue!
We have a resturant in Nong Khai that owner uses as his living room while almost chain smoking!I like them,but we don't eat there because the smell of smoke is always present!I accept the fact that he chooses his life style over his financial gains/losses with the business.No hard feelings,everyone should have their choice.
I am not one of those people that believe that laws against smoking should be enforced!I do believe that everyone should have a clear choice of venues,therefore I would favor posting at the entrance either smoking or nonsmoking,so the choice could be made before entering!

"They may have done, but not from me, fortunately I had the seniority to be able to pick my flights.

I changed from using US airlines and changed routings as far as possible to ensure getting smoking flights for as long as possible.

I had to plan my trips much further in advance to reserve a smoking seat as they sold out rapidly."

Butts in the seats is the bottom line and if it is true as Doc suggests, that smokers make the world go round, then you would have no problem finding a flight that would allow you to enjoy your smokes;o)

BKKSTAN wrote:=D> What a brilliant idea Arjay!I wonder if the financial situations of the owners prevent them from attempting to run trial or permanent nonsmoking nights?
The Irish clock has such good hosts and outstanding food,it is a shame that people sensitive to smoke,have to avoid this venue!
We have a resturant in Nong Khai that owner uses as his living room while almost chain smoking!I like them,but we don't eat there because the smell of smoke is always present!I accept the fact that he chooses his life style over his financial gains/losses with the business.No hard feelings,everyone should have their choice.
I am not one of those people that believe that laws against smoking should be enforced!I do believe that everyone should have a clear choice of venues,therefore I would favor posting at the entrance either smoking or nonsmoking,so the choice could be made before entering!

Well of course, staying on subject the same circumstances prevail here. Both the manager and his spouse regularly light up at the bar, and on one occasion I terminated an interesting conversation with them because they both lit up, without so much as an excuse me, so I paid up and left, it was , after all, their place
I do wonder, from a purely business point of view, whether its a good idea to cater for smokers, knowing its against current legislation and surely , one day will be enforced, leaving them without ANY customer base at all, as by then the nons will have found an alternative and the ayes will desert them. Surely much better to comply with the law as it stands today, construct a proper smoking area, then retain both sets of customers.
Just my logical thoughts, thinking ahead.

Thanks for the suggestions; I'm sure the sponsors would be more than happy to display a sign to indicate whether their venue is smoking or non-smoking. And the smoke free day is also a good idea, the venues concerned may read this and give it some thought.

However, could we continue the discussion about smoking and non-smoking restaurants in this thread http://www.udonmap.com/udonthaniforum/v ... php?t=5150. After all there is more than one pub that permits smoking and it's not fair to single one place out.

Thanks.