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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » June 23, 2009, 7:47 pm

tigerryan wrote:If you can go to Yahoo hit the finance tab then hit the Asia market tab pull up the Nikkei 225 chart and then hit max time button for the chart and have a look at Japans "recovery" since 1985. I think it is the best tool for visual types to help temper your market expectations. The degree of government intervention we have experienced, well Its all been done before...

Yes, in fact Tim Geithner was one of the ones chastising the Japanese for the very things that US is doing now.

There is a long road to hoe.
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby bumper » June 24, 2009, 6:49 am

Anyone else noticing every time the dollar goes down Oil goes up? I assume because it is paid for in Dollars. So the EU gained on the dollar but lost on the cost of fuel. Of course some of us lot in both directions. That is the infaltion I'm concerned about higher fuel cost means end product prices for everything.

It's still half of it's high, so maybe that is a commodity worth considering. Although the entire picture could change by tomorrow. But overall it has been higher consistently since it's lowest point.

Am I seeing this correctly ?
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » June 24, 2009, 9:19 am

1. Stocks were flat for most of the day today as investors hunted for bargains after Monday?s steep sell-off. Shares that led the market down yesterday, which was the S&P 500's worst day in 2 months, were among the positive influences, including banks, energy and materials. On the downside was the news from Boeing of yet another delay in the launch of its 787 Dreamliner. Some reinforcing work needs to be completed in a section of the aircraft.

Dow ----- 8322.46 - 16.55
Oil ----- 69.32 + 1.82
Gold ----- 926.91 + 4.21

2. In a joint letter to Senators today, America's Health Insurance Plans and the Blue Cross Blue Shield Association warned in stark terms that a proposed government insurance plan would dismantle the employer coverage Americans have relied on for a half century and overtake the system.

3. While many sectors of the credit market have shown improvement, the commercial real estate world remains under severe stress. Concerns remain that another wave of losses could hit the fragile U.S. banking system.

4. Intel will reportedly sell processors to Nokia for mobile devices, marking a major breakthrough in Intel's efforts to expand into the phone market. They've been trying for a decade to crack into the market for mobile-phone chips.

5. Stocks in the news today.
Boeing ----- 43.93 - 2.97
Intel ----- 15.85 + .18
Nokia ----- 14.47 + .39
United Health ----- 24.51 - .05
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » June 26, 2009, 7:20 am

1. Stocks advanced sharply today as consumer discretionary shares led the rally. Results of the latest Treasury auction helped fuel the market also as it showed surprisingly strong demand. The auction of $27 Billion of 7-year notes completed the week's sales of Treasury coupons, with all 3 auctions seeing strong demand.

Dow ----- 8472.40 + 172.54
Oil ----- 70.26 + 1.59
Gold ----- 939.00 + 7.60

2. Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke was in the hot seat today for his role in the extraordinary events that took place in late 2008 but he's also catching some heat for his optimistic views of the recovery. This is exceedingly contrary to the views of credible Warren Buffett, who notes that "the risk of a collapse in the financial system has passed but we have not gotten the economy moving again."

3. News is starting to leak out from the Senate Finance Committee concerning the status of the $1 Trillion health bill. Senator Max Baucus (D-Mt) said "we have options that would enable us to write a $1 Trillion bill, fully paid for." He provided no details but others have said the changes made in recent days would lower the cost of government subsidies for those who cannot afford insurance, as well as pare back a planned 10-year series of rate increases for doctors serving Medicare patients.

4. More than 3 decades after they were booted from the country by Saddam Hussein, international oil companies are poised for a return to Iraq next week where they will bid for a slice of the country?s vast oil reserves.

5. Stocks in the news today:
ExxonMobil ----- 69.88 + 1.43
Wells Fargo ----- 23.80 + .63
Apple ----- 139.86 + 3.64
IBM ----- 106.06 + 1.91
McDonalds ----- 57.46 + 1.16
Home Depot ----- 23.57 + .89
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » June 30, 2009, 7:53 pm

1. The Dow was up on a quiet day.

Dow ----- 8530.14 + 90.61
Oil ----- 71.54 + 2.38
Gold ----- 939.01 - .59

2. Oil prices jumped above $71 this morning on news that a group of Nigerian militants damaged and partly shut down an offshore oil platform belonging to Royal Dutch Shell PLC.

3. Five more banks failed over the weekend.

4. The number of global millionaires fell at a record rate in 2008, led by North Americans. The credit crisis wiped out 15% of the world's millionaire population, now at 8.6 million. North America was the biggest victim losing 600,000 millionaires. Experts are predicting that over the next four years, the majority of the world's wealthy will shift from North America to Asia.

5. Stocks in the news today:
ExxonMobil ----- 70.58 + 1.53
Chevron ----- 38.98 + .93
Home Depot ----- 23.87 + .26
Hewlett Packard ----- 38.98 + 1.37
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby bumper » July 1, 2009, 7:02 am

Thanks for the updates.

Thoughts, comments, input on this article ?

Thai Banks, Top Gainers in 2009, May Rally, CLSA Says (Update1)
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By Anuchit Nguyen

June 29 (Bloomberg) -- Thailand’s banks, the best- performing industry group on the country’s stock market this year, may extend their rally as a rebound in loans to individuals and small companies boosts earnings, CLSA Ltd. said.

The brokerage is keeping its “overweight” rating on Thai banks even after recent gains, on the expectation low interest rates will spur loan demand, said Andrew Stotz, head of Thailand research at CLSA. He recommends larger private banks that have increased their market share at the expense of weaker small and foreign rivals, he said, declining to name companies.

“Banks aren’t expensive and have a long way to go up,” Stotz, who was ranked No. 1 in Thailand research this year by Institutional Investor magazine, said in an interview today. “Consumer and small and medium enterprise loans will probably start to rise. The potential for corporate loans to rise is probably one or two years away.”

Bangkok Bank Pcl and Kasikornbank Pcl and other Thai banks have boosted loans to individual borrowers and small and medium- sized companies, or so-called SMEs, as slumping exports and idle capacity cut demand for new funds from large corporations. Southeast Asia’s second-biggest economy shrank 7.1 percent in the first quarter, pushing the country into its first recession since 1998, on slumping exports and tourism.

CLSA recommends that investors buy shares of Bangkok Bank and Kasikornbank, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

The SET Banking Index, a measure of 12 publicly traded lenders, has surged 62 percent this year, the biggest gain among 26 industry groups on the Stock Exchange of Thailand. ACL Bank Pcl, controlled by Bangkok Bank, the biggest lender, topped the group by soaring 162 percent this year.

Political Tension

Kasikornbank, the nation’s third-biggest lender by assets, expects demand for loans to recover in the second half of this year, helping it to meet its lending growth target of 5 percent for 2009, President Prasarn Trairatvorakul said on June 10. The bank’s lending from January to May contracted 4 percent from a year earlier because of the recession, he said.

“There is a high possibility that our economy may have bottomed,” Bandid Nijathaworn, deputy governor at the Bank of Thailand, said late yesterday. “Stimulating local consumption may help sustain the economy, but it can’t replace exports.”

Still, Thai lenders faces “near-term pressure on asset quality” as a slowing economy hurts the ability of borrowers to repay the loans, said Stotz. Concern about political rifts will also damp foreign confidence in the Thai stock market, he said.

“Overseas investors know Thai shares are cheap, but political risk here is also so high,” said Stotz. “They just want to avoid risky markets like Thailand and focus on other markets.”

Valuations

Thai stocks trade at 11.3 times of their estimate earnings for 2009, the cheapest in Asia after Pakistan, according to the data compiled by Bloomberg.

More than 10,000 anti-government protesters who support former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra gathered in Bangkok during the weekend in what organizers called the largest rally since the army quelled riots by the group in April. The protesters say Abhisit’s government is illegitimate because he came to power after a court dissolved the pro-Thaksin ruling party.

To contact the reporter on this story: Anuchit Nguyen in Bangkok at anguyen@bloomberg.net
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby TJ » July 1, 2009, 8:34 am

Heard the other evening from a reliable source that the U.S. unfunded debt has reached 99 trillion dollars. Annual U.S. tax revenue is about two trillion. Can even massive tax increases and double digit inflation pay this debt?
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby JimboPSM » July 1, 2009, 9:07 am

I am wary of investing in banks because I find it difficult to really get behind the numbers in the published accounts so I can understand both how they have generated profits in the past and will continue to do so in the future.

Investing rule - if you can’t understand how a business makes money, do not invest in it (otherwise you are just gambling).

These days banks primarily make money for banking insiders – investors, unfortunately, now come a poor second.

Sorry if that sounds negative but bankers have shown that they cannot be trusted to put the interests of the shareholders above their own pecuniary greed ; additionally the justice systems around the world have failed to imprison enough of the banking crooks with sufficiently long sentences to act as a deterrent and keep them honest :(
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby bumper » July 1, 2009, 10:34 am

Well thats why I aked for thoughts Jimbo. I can see 150 baht a pop on every foriegn ATM card, how many billions held in non interest bank accounts by foriegners to stay here. I can see how they can make part of the money. My problem is when you look at the 97 crash, the bankers were first out the door with the cash :wave:
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby JimboPSM » July 1, 2009, 12:22 pm

git wrote:....... My problem is when you look at the 97 crash, the bankers were first out the door with the cash :wave:

Good point. I was only thinking of very recent history and had forgotten that there is actually a long history of bankers hanging their customers and investors out to dry :(
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » July 1, 2009, 4:17 pm

1. The market erased early gains today and moved lower after a private research group said consumer confidence unexpectedly fell in June.

Dow ----- 8447.00 - 82.38
Oil ----- 70.07 - 1.42
Gold ----- 927.75 -10.20

2. Midnight tonight marks the end of fiscal 2009 for 46 states and 10 are facing a true blue crisis. California, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Delaware, Illinois, Ohio, Indiana, Mississippi and Arizona don't have budgets on hand and according to their state constitutions, are required to have them tomorrow morning. California and Arizona are looking particularly dire . . . stay tuned.

3. The Minnesota Supreme Court has just issued its long-awaited judgement in the Senate race, declaring Democrat Al Franken as the winner. This comes after a 7 month battle over the seat formerly held by Norm Coleman. This gives Democrats the coveted 60th vote allowing them to avert filibusters.

4. Stocks in the news today:

Acacia Research ----- 7.87 + .29
IBM ----- 104.43 - 1.41
Citi ----- 2.97 - .05
Ford ----- 6.07 + .29
Intel ----- 16.55 + .17

5. Joe Weisenthal wrote today "Every politician except Michael Dukakis has campaigned on some version of 'no new taxes' and most ended up breaking that promise. It's how we do things in America, and as voters we've come to accept how it works. We like to be lied to. The President said he wouldn?t raise taxes on anyone making under $250K. That's been violated already with new cigarette taxes and his pledge to sign Cap & Trade if it passes. But forget those . . . real tax hikes are most certainly in the works by virtue of the massive amount of new spending (especially on healthcare). The idea that it can all be financed by the dwindling $250K Plus crowd is absolutely absurd. When they start to tax your health benefits the artificial (fake) $250 ceiling is further reduced. . . unless you are a UAW union member. How much more will Americans take?"
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » July 1, 2009, 4:34 pm

JimboPSM wrote:I am wary of investing in banks because I find it difficult to really get behind the numbers in the published accounts so I can understand both how they have generated profits in the past and will continue to do so in the future.

Investing rule - if you can’t understand how a business makes money, do not invest in it (otherwise you are just gambling).

Additionally, I've read quite a few articles from Wall Street "types" who are not convinced that the banks are "fixed" and that funds dispersed to them through TARP have not been used to do what it was designed to do. There is also talk of some "bookkeeping changes" that are allowing the "failing" banks to look like they are okay now.

Whether or not any of this is absolutely true, I have no way of knowing; but many are talking about it.
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » July 2, 2009, 7:46 am

1. The 3rd Quarter is starting off pretty well after a mixed bag of economic data hit the wires today. Some of the bounce can be attributed to stocks appearing cheaper after yesterday's selloff and to investors putting money to work as the new quarter begins.

Dow ----- 8504.06 + 57.06
Oil ----- 69.35 - .54
Gold ----- 941.05 + 14.45

2. Pending home sales inched up in May for the fourth month in a row and is up 6.7% from the same period a year ago.

3. As mentioned yesterday, several states failed to reach agreements for the fiscal year just ended. California will issue an estimated $3 Billion in IOUs to various creditors this month. Pennsylvania state employees will get partial paychecks until July 24th, after that . . . zip.

4. Stocks in the news today:
Kinross Gold ----- 19.38 + 1.23
Ford ----- 5.91 - .16
Coca Cola ----- 49.18 + 1.19
Procter & Gamble ----- 52 + .90
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby bumper » July 2, 2009, 9:39 am

Man keep it up this is great I really appreciate yuor effort.
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » July 3, 2009, 3:01 pm

1. A gloomy report on job losses in June sent stocks sharply lower today. Employers slashed 467,000 jobs in June, far worse than the 363,000 that economists had predicted and a grim signal that the recovery is going to be indeed bumpy. That puts the jobless rate at 9.5%.

Dow ----- 8290.11 -213.95
Oil ----- 66.96 -2.35
Gold ----- 931.23 -9.58

2. Mortgage applications have fallen to a new 7 month low according to the Mortgage Bankers Associstion. Requests for new home loans fell 19% last week and ReFi's plunged 30%, both to levels unseen since last November.

3. The California crisis continues as the "Terminator" declared a state of fiscal emergency today and ordered many state offices to close for three days each month without pay until June 2010.

4. Stocks in the news today:
Exxon Mobil ----- 68.30 - 2.21
Apple ----- 140.02 - 2.81
IBM ----- 102.02 - 2.82
Home Depot ----- 22.85 - .86
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