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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » May 27, 2009, 8:55 am

BKKSTAN wrote:with the baht going down and prices skyrocketing,they feel the discomfort because they have to live with less!

I can understand that and empathize with them, but folks in the home country (wherever that is) are also having to do the same.

I'd hate to see this thread move into another discussion about the baht, though. I began the thread with the intention of providing some general US investor-related news.
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » May 27, 2009, 9:03 am

A lot of information and food for thought: Rosenberg: U.S. Faces Double-Dip Recession

Rosenberg thinks the U.S. economy may trudge along at a sluggish growth rate somewhere in the range of 0.5 percent to 1.5 percent while banks recover from the credit crisis, which could take another three years.

"If that's what you're able to generate, that economy is not generating the job growth required to bring the unemployment rate down," Rosenberg said.


I'm very concerned with the rising debt of the government.

Already, huge government debt issuance is raising questions about long-term U.S. fiscal stability. Concerns grew last week that the country could be stripped of its top-tier AAA credit rating after Standard & Poor's said it was considering downgrading Britain's sovereign rating.

This week marks a big test of investor appetite for U.S. debt. The government plans to issue a massive $101 billion in notes and bonds, matching the weekly record set in April.

Broda thinks the yield on 10-year U.S. government paper may reach 6 percent by 2011, compared with 3.4 percent now. Because so many other loans are based on that rate, that could make it costlier to buy a house or expand a business.
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » May 27, 2009, 3:25 pm

General Motors becomes Government Motors in the US.

US Government to Take Up 70% Stake in GM

Government spokesmen say they don't want to be in the auto industry, but that is the opposite of what has happened. They will soon own and direct two.

Seems that it would have been much easier (and better for taxpayers) to let them both file for bankruptcy without wasting all of that bailout money. They could have reorganized on their own and bondholders would have gotten their just financial rewards for being bondholders.
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby old-timer » May 27, 2009, 3:35 pm

chevy, yep chevy, has four bidders to buy it out, one is fiat (hahahaha), and another one is from china(hahahaha) - dont know who the other two are..............George Bush or something like that... \:D/
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » May 27, 2009, 3:47 pm

WBU ALUM wrote:I'm always skeptical of polls. I'd be curious to know if Americans were asked what issues specifically made their confidence improve.

Well, I did some searching and found a Reuters News article that points to:
"The improvement was concentrated in expectations for the future, especially the longer-term outlook for the economy," said Richard Curtin, the director of the survey.

Most of the gain can be tied to consumers' favorable assessment of U.S. President Barack Obama's stimulus spending, Curtin said. The survey found that 65 percent of consumers thought the stimulus would improve the national economy.


Consumer sentiment soars as confidence returns
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » May 27, 2009, 8:52 pm

Rising mortgage rates are now slowing demand for mortgage loans.

Affordability remains at record highs, but some key obstacles remain before the housing crisis becomes history.

The market may be on the doorstep of stabilization, according to some housing analysts, but a recovery won't be forthcoming with unemployment rising and foreclosures still setting records.


Mortgage Applications Sink as Loan Rates Rise

Seems like there are still not enough overall free enterprise incentives to get people buying again. Of course, having so many unemployed, and unemployment continuing, has dampened spirits of those who still have jobs and money.
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby aznyron » May 27, 2009, 9:11 pm

since this thread is about the bail out in some ways so what is so wrong with the Government taking over a business to keep it from bankruptcy like GMAC when it start to make money & trust me it will make a come back the tax payers will be paid back with %%%%%%%%%%% I am a believer of my country and it will to be number 1 through the world I just wish they would try to get along & do what is best for the country & not fight over who will get the credit if it go well & who to blame when it go sour
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » May 27, 2009, 9:22 pm

aznyron wrote:so what is so wrong with the Government taking over a business to keep it from bankruptcy like GMAC

The US Constitution does not provide for any such action. There is nothing to discuss in that regard.

The US government provides very lenient bankruptcy laws and procedures that allow companies to file for bankruptcy and reorganize. That action is constitutional.

I'm not likely to debate or discuss any topic with you. Have a good evening. :wave:
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby old-timer » May 27, 2009, 9:38 pm

when it start to make money & trust me it will make a come back the tax payers will be paid back with %%%%%%%%%%%

the only way the US taxpayer has any chance of getting it's money back from the billions in bailout money this company has had, is to sell it......
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby bumper » May 28, 2009, 4:52 am

parrot wrote:In words of warning to potential new expats (don't come if you have serious health problems, don't come if you don't have or can't afford insurance, don't come if you have school-age children and expect international-quality schools in Udon, etc), maybe a word of warning would be:
Don't come planning on a stable exchange rate. It was as low as 31.2 to a dollar in March 2008 and the pre-1997 float rate was 25 for many years. I'd say a safe floor would be 10 baht lower than today's rate......as much as that would cause pain for a lot of expats, you'd be better served if you planned for the worse than thought the rate would stay in the 35-40 range.


Now there is some of the best advice I have seen in a long time. Yuo can survive on 40K you want a life you need more then that. This is a very cruel place when yuo dont have money and your a foriegner.
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » May 28, 2009, 6:01 am

Wednesday was rocky. New concerns with GM and Treasury bonds.

New Investor Worry: Treasury Selloff Spiking Interest Rates

Traders are bracing for more of the same Thursday. The Treasury is auctioning another $26 billion in notes, this time 7-years.

The heavy issuance - more than $100 billion this week alone - has been pressuring the market.

Some key data will also get the market's attention Thursday, including weekly jobless claims, durable goods and new home sales.


Lots still going on and lots more of the stimulus money is yet to be infused in the economy. Only as much as 1/3 will be in it until 2010. That's a long ways away for 1/3 and even longer to wait for the results of the remaining 2/3.
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby bumper » May 28, 2009, 7:54 am

The ultimate in my mind would be if they didn't use the other 2/3rd's but that's not lilkey.
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » May 28, 2009, 7:58 am

Banks already have taken their hits on structured financial products, Tilson says. "The next wave is plain vanilla loans sitting on banks' books that are defaulting at unprecedented rates."

That means, "investors, in their enthusiasm for financial stocks in the past couple months, may be missing how much more pain there is to come," Tilson says.


Tilson: Banks Face $1 Trillion of Losses Ahead

The bounce in the market since the lows over the past six months may be headed downward again if Tilson's scenario plays out. The ride could be a longer one that people are willing to acknowledge.
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » May 28, 2009, 8:00 am

git wrote:The ultimate in my mind would be if they didn't use the other 2/3rd's but that's not lilkey.

I agree completely with that, git.

There was a web site that was promised that was supposed to track all the spending and improve "transparency."

It's not up yet.
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby TJ » May 28, 2009, 12:33 pm

Imagine, In less than 6 months the Obama administration has virtually natioanalized the banks and the auto industry and expectations are that the health care industry will be nationalized this summer. You could make the case that this is a total nationalization along the Fascist model.
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