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Re: Some news for investors

Postby cali4995 » July 31, 2009, 6:05 am

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There she is, a 20$ gold piece from the old West circa 1870. Almost exactly 1 ounce (as the price
of gold was very nearly 20/ounce at the time, of pure gold.) As I understand it, mixed with a little
copper, this being the difference from gold bullion? Anyway, at todays rates, approx 920$/ounce,
that's an increase of 4,500% (somebody please check the math) :lol: Over a period of 140 years this
giving an averaged return of 32% per year. Not taking into consideration it's collectible value which
effectively doubles everything. Certainly makes you wonder doesn't it? todays investment trivia :lol:
with all possible deference to our thread founder and primary most useful contributor wbu-alum
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » July 31, 2009, 8:04 am

1. The Bulls roared again today as stronger than expected profit reports and a surprise drop in the number of people continuing to seek unemployment benefits handed investors just more ammunition that the economy could be strengthening. General Electric led the Dow higher after a Goldman Sachs analyst raised his rating on the stock.

Dow ----- 9154.23 +83.51
Oil ----- 66.78 +3.43
Gold ----- 936.45 +6.45

2. Helped by a deep cost-cutting program, Motorola today posted an unexpected profit for the 2nd quarter after several quarters of losses and said it expected things to keep improving this year.

3. Exxon Mobil reported a steeper than expected drop in quarterly profit as natural gas and crude oil prices slid from a year ago and the global recession hurt demand for fuel. Exxon shares fell 1.6% in early trading.

4. Southwest Airlines is seeking to acquire Frontier, a Denver-based carrier operating under bankruptcy protection. This could get interesting as the court had already approved a sale to Republic Airways for $108.8 million, but that deal can be nixed if a better offer comes along.

5. Stocks in the news today:
GE ----- 13.12 +0.86
SW Air ----- 7.73 +0.06
Frontier Air ----- 0.09 +0.02
Motorola ----- 7.18 +0.61
ExxonMobil ----- 70.72 -0.71
Bk America ----- 13.97 +0.45
SunTrust ----- 18.93 +1.31
Taser ----- 5.37 +0.13
Acacia ----- 8.05 +0.11
Raser ----- 2.23 -0.04

6. There's no doubt where some of the proceeds of the recent govt bond sales will be headed. The U.S. Postal Service is on track for a record $7 billion deficit this year. That's more than double last year's loss. That projection was bumped up a billion yesterday by the Postmaster General.
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby aznyron » July 31, 2009, 8:34 am

I invest in the Thai baht every month and I am getting my butt kicked losing over 10 k a month like
most of us here in thailand so to gamble in the market now is IMO bad timing
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Re: Some news for investors

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Re: Some news for investors

Postby cali4995 » July 31, 2009, 8:58 am

Some would say from a contrarian perspective that this time now, just when there is so much
conflict and prices have been deflated, is the time to buy? Personally the only American companies
that I have faith in anymore are those that focus on doing only one thing but doing it well. And
very few of them follow that simple format. Fedex (FDX) is an excellent case study illustration. :-s
Even though they're now considered a big cap, unlike so many of the other large companies (many
on the dow index) they're not being torn in 5 different directions and continue to enjoy some success.
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby cali4995 » July 31, 2009, 9:33 am

oh yeah, the famous Dow 30 index (which until recently contained AIG, GM and Citigroup)
companies which showed the world they were in an absolute shambles financially. If you
study the 30 companies which currently make-up the Dow, I only get warm fuzzy feelings
about a couple? oh, maybe Home Depot and I think Mcdonalds and Pfizer they all seem to
have some kind of positive image. Again because they generally do one kind of thing and
folks have favorable emotions with that. I doubt if the "experts" can change a light bulb.
Their analysis' seem to keep changing with the tide? the end is near! the end is near! :lol:
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » July 31, 2009, 9:36 am

cali4995 wrote:Personally the only American companies
that I have faith in anymore are those that focus on doing only one thing but doing it well. And
very few of them follow that simple format. Fedex (FDX) is an excellent case study illustration.

The only thing negative about Fedex that I have read lately is that there is some "union legislation" being lobbied by UPS that may put some competitive constraints on Fedex. I can't recall if it is part of the "card check" bill in Congress or something else.

I like the company, but these rumors have caused me to pause with them, too. :(
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » July 31, 2009, 9:38 am

cali4995 wrote: I doubt if the "experts" can change a light bulb.
Their analysis' seem to keep changing with the tide? the end is near! the end is near! :lol:

I tend to agree. For that reason, I have been sitting on the sideline and just watching since October and staying very, very liquid.
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby cali4995 » July 31, 2009, 9:46 am

Really, I have no clue? :lol: I used to enjoy watching cramer's reviews on that stock channel or
whatever that was. It certainly doesn't hurt to read because you do feel overwhelmed with
all the conflicting data. America is so over-legislated I don't know how any of these companies
have enough free-reign to do well? Like a big, lumbering ocean liner that can't avoid an iceberg? 8-[
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » July 31, 2009, 6:56 pm

Larry Kudlow discusses some positive signs in trade.

InTrade: Positive GDP in Q3?
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby cali4995 » August 1, 2009, 11:06 am

oh dear, more disappearing posts. well the employment sector actually does have some bearing on the
investment climate. aznyron, i was sincerely looking forward to sharing views on the generational
changes within the unions and the consequent earning power or lack thereof for the worker. this
affects stock prices as indirectly, pension funds, company sentiment, pending litigation all factor into
the big picture. i've got attention deficit. apparently need to sharpen my focus. my apologies. :lol:
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby cali4995 » August 1, 2009, 11:24 am

these pension funds in particular, not a week goes by that you aren't reading about some "failing"
pension fund program and the dangerous liability faced by companies who must/or not continue
to attempt keeping these plans solvent. how can that be? was it just horrible mismanagement?
poor asset allocation? just general skullduggery? good grief if you bought gov't bonds you couldn't
lose the amounts some of these funds are claiming? really, i honestly wish i undestood some of it. :-s
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby arjay » August 1, 2009, 12:20 pm

They reckon gold is going to go up more:

From the Daily Mail - This is Money:

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/investing/ ... age_id=166
Investors say gold may hit $2,000
Philip Scott, This is Money
30 July 2009

Investors are gearing up for another hike in the gold price as individuals rush in to stave off the rising threat of heavy inflation.


Paul Tustain, of gold traders Bullion Vault, believes that private investors, are buying because they believe that, in the long term, the price of bullion reaching $2,000 is a significant possiblity.

And US investment firm, Moonraker Fund Management, say that 20 out of 22, or 91%, of hedge fund managers that it interviewed are buying gold to protect their personal wealth against excessive inflation.

Tustain says: 'Our experience right now is that, the typical private investor buying gold, does not trust any 'green shoots' of recovery.

'They believe that strong house prices and cheap credit are a thing of the past and they are not convinced by any equity market recovery, but that there is better to come from gold, even up to $2,000 an ounce.'

Moonraker found that the vast majority of those they surveyed were buying physical gold for fear that the quantitative easing programme being seen in the Anglo Saxon economies would eventually result in a bout of steep price rises.

Historically, gold is considered to be the ultimate safe haven from turbulent markets, low interest rates and the threat of inflation.

Every year since 2001, it has experienced gains. Generally speaking, during the past decade, the precious metal has tended to rise for a term of around six to nine months, and then plateau before rising again. Since the financial crisis began it has on a number of occasions hit the $1,000 mark.

Like any other commodity it can endure heavy bouts of volatility, but over the longer term the returns have been spectacular. Over five years to the end of 2008, in dollar terms, it is up by 102% and by a massive 195% over the past decade.

In April, Charles Gibson, an analyst, at Edison Investment Research, claimed that the dramatic monetary policy tactics of central banks, could even potentially, push the price of gold to more than $1,500 an ounce.

During the past 12 months its value has risen by 4% to stand today at $931 an ounce, and in just the last three months, it has surged ahead by more than 5%.
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby arjay » August 1, 2009, 1:01 pm

Some good news for stock market investors, from the Daily Telegraph:
FTSE 100: stock market has best month in more than six years

The stock market has enjoyed its best month in more than six years, boosting the savings of millions of investors and bringing hope that the worst of the recession may be over.


By Harry Wallop and Edmund Conway
Published: 10:05PM BST 31 Jul 2009

The FTSE 100 index of leading shares climbed 8.5 per cent in July, adding £134 billion to the value of the stock market, its best monthly performance since the fall of Baghdad during the second Gulf war in April, 2003.

The rise in share prices followed a series of strong profit figures from Britain’s biggest companies, with many proving to investors that they are coping well in the recession by cutting costs.

Barclays, which avoided having to ask for a Government bail-out during the recent banking crisis, is even expected to disclose next week that its wage bill has increased by more than 20 per cent after it paid out substantial bonuses to keep hold of bankers who have helped the company post a predicted £2 billion profit. Although the FTSE 100 index dropped 23.25 points yesterday to close at 4608.32, overall it finished the month up 8.5 per cent.

The rally follows a dismal period for the stock market between the summer of 2007 and Easter this year, when the FTSE 100 fell 47 per cent.

David Schwartz, a stock market historian, said: “I think we are now in a sustainable multi-month rally. We are just at the beginning of a proper bull market.”

However, he and other experts gave warning that not only did share prices have a long way to go before they returned to their most recent peak of 6,732 two years ago, but they were still 14 per cent below their level of one year ago.

There is some hope that the shares recovery signals the end of the recession.

This week, both Nationwide and the Land Registry reported a further increase in house prices, while consumer confidence and retail spending are no longer falling at record rates.

Nationwide even suggested house prices could do the “unthinkable” and finish the year higher than they started.

Richard Hunter, of financial advisers Hargreaves Lansdown, said: “It looks increasingly likely that we have hit the bottom of the recession. But it’s too early to say it’s a recovery.”

Much of the money invested in the stock market is owned by pension funds, and millions of households have their savings invested in shares through Individual Savings Accounts.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/mark ... years.html
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby PhilR » August 1, 2009, 2:05 pm

UK seemingly against the odds appearing to slowly climb from this recession as your articles show arjay. With my Thai retirement next year :mrgreen: , pleased to see pound to baht on Udonmap home page 56.2, highest for ages! And house prices in UK improving maybe even get an increase this year, which will keep family here happy, as the house will be theres when i leave! :roll:

As part of an earlier pension settlement, i have over £28,000 in NS&I Premium Bonds. Is it possible, does anyone know, to still hold them if you are an expat in Thailand? The website says it depends on the rules of the country you retire to and i can't find that information regarding Thailand on the web. :D
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