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Re: Some news for investors

Postby Aardvark » May 28, 2009, 12:52 pm

Don't be so paranoid TJ, Nationalisation means it belongs to the people, so it's in good hands :D bloody Americans #-o
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » May 28, 2009, 2:48 pm

TJ wrote:Imagine, In less than 6 months the Obama administration has virtually natioanalized the banks and the auto industry and expectations are that the health care industry will be nationalized this summer. You could make the case that this is a total nationalization along the Fascist model.

Ever wonder how Ford Motor Company, the only one doing what they should have been doing along the lines of profitability, feels about their competition now being the US government? If Ford needs to improve cash flow, they lay off employees or close plants. Chrysler and GM can now just print their cash flow (via the US Treasury).
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby jackspratt » May 28, 2009, 4:01 pm

TJ wrote:Imagine, In less than 6 months the Obama administration has virtually natioanalized the banks and the auto industry and expectations are that the health care industry will be nationalized this summer. You could make the case that this is a total nationalization along the Fascist model.


Yep, the alternative was a lot more attractive - virtually no banking system, and probably no auto industry.

Capitalism at its finest - if you can't stand on your own two feet, you deserve to perish. Doesn't matter if you are a bank, an important heavy industry employing hundreds of thousands, an individual person. :wave:

Or the whole world economy for that matter.
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby rick » May 28, 2009, 5:06 pm

Just like it is taking years for the bad mortgages to take effect, new economic policies take many months, if not a year or to, to have an effect. What we have seen so far this year in the economy is a response to events in 2008, not 2009. But everyone will blame who they hate the most!
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » May 28, 2009, 5:21 pm

US Economy May Dip Again Next Year: Roubini

"There is even a risk of a double dip, a W-shaped recession at the end of next year," he said, a combination of rising oil prices, rising public debt and increases in real interest rates, rising concerns about inflation and the expiration of a number of tax cuts in the United States.


Concerns about debt, inflation and the automatic raising of taxes along with new taxes in the US cause me to believe that the market is responding to a very uncertain future.
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » May 29, 2009, 7:12 am

1. Stocks turned higher today after a solid demand at a Treasury auction eased fears that the appetite for U.S. debt would dry up and force the government to pay higher rates to entice buyers. That would endanger the economic recovery by driving borrowing rates higher for loans on homes and cars.

Dow 8401.17 + 101.15
Oil 64.88 + 1.43
Gold 959.98 + 10.08

2. Investors were also focusing on GM Corp, which said a committee of bondholders agreed to a sweetened deal to erase some of GM's unsecured debt in exchange for stock. The agreement won't prevent bankruptcy, but investors are looking for any signs that a reorganization will be orderly. Again, the debt holders of GM are getting screwed.

3. Speaking of GM, on Monday, the troubled auto giant will identify 14 factories it will close by the end of 2010 as part of its restructuring plan. Why not close them now?

4. A weak dollar and booming global sentiment have done wonders for oil prices. The crude is up to almost $65 a barrel. It's getting an extra boost today from OPEC. The cartel said yesterday that output levels will stay the same and maintained a target of $75-90 a barrel.

6. Smaller regional banks are more friendly and reliable than the mega banks for their customers. Reasonable fees, more stable and less ruthless customer treatment. The next rash of mortgage foreclosures will be from prime rate clients now out of work.

6. Stocks in the news today:
Exxon Mobil 69.23 + .93
Chevron Oil 65.84 + 1.27
Kin Ross Gold 19.52 + .72
Yamana Gold 11.14 + .49
GE 13.19 + .20
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » May 29, 2009, 8:18 am

Sharp Rise in Mortgage Rates Thwarts Refinancing Plans

The fear dogging homeowners and investors alike is that April's record lows in mortgage rates may have come and gone. The stock market has rallied since early March on the assumption the economy will rebound later this year.

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke has been calling early signs of economic stabilization "green shoots" — and one of those shoots was a pickup in refinancing activity caused by tumbling mortgage rates.

But mortgage rates have rebounded sharply over the past few days as the nation's growing debt raises concerns that government-backed assets could lose some of their value.

It's a trend that could slow both refinancing and home buying if it continues. Higher mortgage rates won't necessarily derail the economy's recovery, analysts say, but it certainly won't help.
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » May 30, 2009, 11:57 am

General Motors is now Government Motors. Gee, I feel special.

Kudlow: US Now Owns GM, But Won't Get Paid Back

Instead of putting the failed car enterprise into bankruptcy six months ago — where Carl Icahn or Wilbur Ross could have bought it — the Bush administration chose Bailout Nation. Under Team Obama, that bailout has morphed into full-scale government ownership. Twenty-billion dollars of TARP money is already invested in GM [GM 0.75 -0.37 (-33.04%)], with another $50 billion on the way. And that number could easily double unless GM car sales miraculously climb back to 14 million this year. That’s highly unlikely, with car sales presently hovering around 9 million a year.

In other words, taxpayers are not going to get their money back. Yes, we the people will be left holding the bag for the mistakes of GM’s management and labor leaders over the last four decades.

Add GM to another government investment gone down the black hole known as Washington, DC.

Is this onslaught of government ownership an attack on free-market capitalism? Yes it is. Call it Bailout Nation or Ownership Nation, it’s an unprecedented degree of government command, control, and planning, all in the name of a tough economic downturn.

I don’t pretend to know all the answers to GM’s problems. Neither do I know all the miscues of the banks and insurance companies. But I do know this: The present level of government control over the economy does not bode well for this great country.
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » May 30, 2009, 12:42 pm

1. Stocks were all over the board today as investors tried to sort through mixed economic signals. They were buoyed by news the government was trimming its estimate for the decline in 1st Quarter gross domestic product. Another positive sign was a rise in May consumer sentiment. But a group representing Chicago-area purchasing executives ruined the party when they reported a much steeper drop in Midwest business activity than expected. Also, the dollar is falling and oil prices are rising, stoking inflation worries.

Dow 8513.48 + 109.68
Oil 66.26 + 1.18
Gold 976.40 + 16.95

2. I know we're all sick of hearing about GM but the engraver Is putting the final touches on the tombstone this afternoon as they will file for bankruptcy on Monday. They will then split into a 'good GM, bad GM' with the good GM looking to be profitable within 60-90 days. In a change from the previous plan, current shareholders will get nothing. Management and unions have been the huge burdons on GM and neither has been replaced.

Advisors to bondholders representing $27 Billion in the automaker's debt urged investors today to support a debt swap negotiated over the past week with the Obama administration.

3. DOLLAR WATCH. The euro is up a cent this week to $1.41, its highest level of 2009. Ditto with the pound . . . it's up to $1.61. The British currency has gained 9% in May, its best monthly showing since 1985. What a nice trend, huh? Hope your travel plans don't include Europe in the near future. The biggest commodity winner in May is Silver. . . it's on track for its best month in 22 years, up 25% in May.

4. Stocks in the news today:
GM .80 - .32
Ford 5.71 + .15
Silver Trust 15.45 + .52
Kin Ross Gold 20.24 + .72
Yamana Gold 11.76 + .62
Coca Cola 49.11 + 2.21
Home Depot 23.19 + .49
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby jackspratt » May 30, 2009, 4:30 pm

Don't believe everything you read on Udon Map.

GM workers agree to slash benefits

Car workers' unions in the United States have agreed to a range of concessions in the hope of saving as many jobs at General Motors (GM) as they can.

Despite the concessions, it is believed 21,000 jobs will be lost.

GM is expected to declare Chapter 11 bankruptcy on Monday.

Three quarters of GM workers in the US have voted to give up a wide range of benefits in the hope of saving jobs.

They have agreed to freeze wages, end bonuses and cut the health benefits paid to retired employees.

They have also pledged not to take any strike action until 2015.

In exchange the unions will received a 17.5 per cent shareholding in GM once it emerges as a new slimmed down company from bankruptcy.

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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » May 30, 2009, 4:34 pm

The GM story has been changing almost hourly because parties watched the debacle known as the government take-over of Chrysler.

Where's the link for that snip of info, Jack?
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Re: Some news for investors

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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » May 30, 2009, 4:40 pm

Breaking news ... just as I thought.

Barry couldn't force the deal. Good.
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » May 31, 2009, 7:48 am

GM's board meets again as bondholder deadline passes

General Motors' board of directors met for a second day Saturday to make the final decision on whether the automaker would complete its restructuring by filing for bankruptcy protection Monday.

The outcome of the meeting could not immediately be determined.

GM and the Treasury Department, which has been guiding the Detroit automaker toward a rescue plan that will give taxpayers nearly a three-fourths stake in the company, went into secrecy mode.


So much for all that great transparency we keep being told about. :lol:

I'm betting that GM sells fewer cars than they've ever sold after this is done. Who would want to depend on the government for service and backing a warranty?
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Re: Some news for investors

Postby WBU ALUM » May 31, 2009, 7:54 am

Even if workers have managed to avoid being laid off, many employers have cut back in other ways, reducing employees’ hours, imposing furloughs and even sometimes trimming salaries.

About 6.7 million people were working fewer than 35 hours a week in April because of “slack work or business conditions,” nearly double the number a year earlier, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. A recent survey of 518 large companies by Hewitt Associates, a human resources consulting firm, found 16 percent had cut pay and 20 percent had cut hours or imposed furloughs, far more than the firm has seen in previous recessions. (The actual percentage of workers affected is likely to be significantly lower.)


Still Working, but Making Do With Less

These types of statistics are not reflected in unemployment figures, and they affect the large middle class more than the media reports. Cap and trade taxes, taxing of employees health care plans as income, and the automatic raising of income taxes when the current tax cuts expire in 2010 will drive the dagger even deeper.

With people spending less and less in anticipation of all of those added taxes, the economy will probably shrink even more, which will cause more cuts in hours and more layoffs.
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