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Post by khondiau » December 27, 2011, 1:31 pm

downunder wrote:The swiss man's problem I have learnt has gone on for more than last January as several members left the Board before that. I personally have tried talking to them but my requests fell on deaf ears up until now. I have learnt so much more now and in hindsight he should have been dismissed long before that.
Oh my God, what a club. They left the Board and didn't tell you while they evidently were willing to share e-mails with others? And the Swiss man got elected although they knew about his ongoing criminal career?
Helps to start understanding why the club never was able to recruit more than 30+ members when there are more than 6.000 expats living in the province of Udon Thani.



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Post by downunder » December 27, 2011, 7:22 pm

TO Khondiau.[Dr. Evil]
you tell them Paul, we have 47 paid up Members, you never stop spreading your grievences about the Club because you were sacked as President, then sacked as Board Member, now you have been removed we will get more Membership. You are already on notice with the Police for Intent so be very careful what you say. What I have said is fact. The Swissman is now gone, we cannot do any more than that. you are a disgrace to the Club

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Post by khondiau » December 28, 2011, 12:05 pm

downunder/joebloger, tell us more about that Paul. Wasn't he not the person that suggested that all candidates for offices within the club should be asked questions before the vote? Like whether they would be in conflict with the law or similar?

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Post by grievous » December 28, 2011, 1:30 pm

Have you guys created aliases to talk on this matter? curious to know why downunder & khondiau only have posts regarding this topic.

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Post by kjellsnell » December 28, 2011, 3:44 pm

grievous wrote:Have you guys created aliases to talk on this matter? curious to know why downunder & khondiau only have posts regarding this topic.
Maybe they hijacked the thread to use it for their own purposes .. :-$
These days life seems pretty good and I eagerly look forward to the continuation!

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Post by khondiau » December 28, 2011, 6:28 pm

grievous wrote:Have you guys created aliases to talk on this matter? curious to know why downunder & khondiau only have posts regarding this topic.
You are right. The topic of this thread was interesting enough to create a special alias as I had some information about the Swiss man from the past. Thought it would interest other farangs in Udon what the Thai people think of them and their clubs. Now since almost everything was said and nobody is willing to take over "political responsibility" for this affair, I am done and will revert to my old nick from 2005.

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Post by grievous » December 28, 2011, 9:15 pm

I'm still confused why the two major parties with input on this thread chose to use an alias. It possibly could have been an alias (or two) that allowed the swiss con-man to do what he did.

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Post by khondiau » December 28, 2011, 11:35 pm

grievous wrote:I'm still confused why the two major parties with input on this thread chose to use an alias. It possibly could have been an alias (or two) that allowed the swiss con-man to do what he did.
I presume this is a consequence of a rather authoritarian climate of opinion within the club. So why bother to speak out like a citizen would do?
The former president or vice president resp. who was in charge when the final court verdict in Switzerland arrived in January in Udon Thani province always wanted to protect the Swiss man. He even was of the opinion - and still is - that criminal behavior of club members do not interest the club, nor have to. Disregarding any obligations even farang clubs in Thailand own their guests.
He even tried and still is trying to persuade them to voluntarily destroy all information they might have gathered on the following aspects of their fellow members: "any records that relate in any way to immigration, passport details, visas, police investigations, law enforcement, courts, court actions, criminal or illegal activities, criminal events or records, alleged irregular activities, use of substances and drugs, or other allegations, and the like"
Point f on page 3 of the document "NOTES FOR SAFE & LEGAL CONDUCT_2.pdf" you can download from their site:
http://www.udonexpatclub.com/download_f ... ONDUCT.pdf
They should not even ask criminals critical questions, as this would be "quite definitely ‘unfriendly’" to the criminal.

Isn't it illuminating? ;)

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Post by wazza » December 29, 2011, 6:07 am

With the constant in-fighting and bickering going on , I can see this Expat club self destroying from within.

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Post by trubrit » December 29, 2011, 9:18 am

I long ago came to the conclusion that it is unrealistic to expect a grouping of people whose only thing they have in common is that they all chose to reside in and around Udon Thani to be successful .After all, different nationalities have had various cultural influences on their upbringing. As is often seen on this forum, a different sense of humour which can, given the language difficulties, often offend, so serious discussion must present a multitude of problems .Add to that the differing levels of education which even with your own compatriots, causes misunderstanding, its a minefield just waiting for someone to trip over one , then all organisations require a hierarchy to control proceedings, another source of conflict as demonstrated by the postings of some members and ex members in this topic .
No for me a grouping must have a common interest to share, such as golf or another sporting activity to be successful .
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Post by Galee » December 29, 2011, 9:44 am

trubrit wrote:No for me a grouping must have a common interest to share, such as golf or another sporting activity to be successful .
If only you knew TB. :D No, on the whole I agree with you, but even friends with common interest have falling's out.

I think one of the reasons clubs etc struggle to thrive here, is that the majority of people who come to live here are free thinking individuals who have their own opinions and are not afraid to express themselves. Add that to cultural differences and it's inevitable that there will be problems.

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Post by khondiau » December 29, 2011, 10:37 pm

As much as I can agree with your observations that clubs with diverse membership - both culturally and
educationally - and only a small common set of interests are likely to have problems in the long run, You
should then also ask the question why forums of such expats or farangs can survive and even flourish.

The politics these organizations try to achieve do count too in any rational consideration. The Udon Expat
Club became such a degenerate bunch of people, when a few of the founders decided to become a heaven for the
criminals who escaped to Thailand. Their current slogans remind me to "Udon Criminals - friendly and safe".

What reactions of normal citizens born and educated within modern democracies do You expect when a former
president wants to enforce at membership level that they would have to destroy all "documents, photos, images, and the like contained in any emails from 'Toy Bonschu' and others who were running a vendetta against this Club and Member, or any other such materials or information"?

The e-mail I cited in my post of December 26, 2011 was one of those Toy Bonschu sent out to rather many email
addresses thought to be associated with the "Udon Criminals Club". joebloger aka downunder verified the text
as well as the fact that he still has a copy of it in his files. :lol:

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Post by Laan Yaa Mo » December 29, 2011, 11:32 pm

khondiau wrote:
grievous wrote:Have you guys created aliases to talk on this matter? curious to know why downunder & khondiau only have posts regarding this topic.
You are right. The topic of this thread was interesting enough to create a special alias as I had some information about the Swiss man from the past. Thought it would interest other farangs in Udon what the Thai people think of them and their clubs. Now since almost everything was said and nobody is willing to take over "political responsibility" for this affair, I am done and will revert to my old nick from 2005.

khondiau, what happened to your promise of reverting to your 'true' nickname?
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Post by khondiau » December 30, 2011, 12:28 am

Laan Yaa Mo wrote:khondiau, what happened to your promise of reverting to your 'true' nickname?
Had to be postponed as the first people came nearer to those things not yet told nor asked. I think it is an
advantage that on the internet we do not always encounter people that are cronies or have a vested interest in
certain points of view. Why should we have forums then at all?

So the floor is still open for all of your questions you have concerning the topic of this thread. Btw: I also
got some reactions from the victims of Joe good deads again. Possibly sent out to many of us in Udon, as those
poor people in Switzerland, Germany and Austria that became victims of his embezzlements do not really know
how to handle this "wall of silence" the "Udon Criminals" naturally errected.

Or did You notice any news report on their recent election of a Treasurer or the scandal about their newly elected Treasurer in the Thai media? Have a look at their site: http://www.udonexpatclub.com to prove.

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Post by Laan Yaa Mo » December 30, 2011, 1:13 am

Thanks for the explanation.
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Post by trubrit » December 30, 2011, 7:13 am

Funny to see both the Tourist police and City Hall are sponsors . Or should that be "were". :roll:
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Post by Benzman2 » December 30, 2011, 2:51 pm

trubrit wrote:Funny to see both the Tourist police and City Hall are sponsors . Or should that be "were". :roll:

:-k WHY :-k

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Post by khondiau » December 30, 2011, 7:21 pm

trubrit wrote:Funny to see both the Tourist police and City Hall are sponsors.
You were misled by their site. This seal
Image
is not the seal of the city of Udon but the seal of the province of Udon Thani.
And it is no link to a sponsor at all. It's part of their „Keeping Up Appearences“

And don't expect that their club photographer would know anything about this or would understand why symbols might be important.

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Post by khondiau » March 2, 2012, 2:44 am

Good news though: "During the February 2012 Members Meeting, there was a vote of 'No Confidence' in the Board. The whole Board was dismissed". It seems to be that the majority of its shrinking membership still have a feeling of who are responsible for the decline of interest in that club. They apparently did not like that the former officials and presidents of the club tended to ignore the obvious signs that the Swiss Board Member was found guilty by the Swiss courts in early 2011.

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Post by bigsnake » March 2, 2012, 7:53 am

HMMMMM! Hear tell they had four new members to join at Feb 2012 meeting??

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