Thanks Obama....

The Chrysler Group bailout officially ended Thursday when the Treasury Department sold off its remaining stake in the automaker, and the final tally shows the taxpayers lost $1.3 billion.

Italian automaker Fiat purchased the U.S. government's 6% stake in Chrysler for $560 million, formally concluding the $12.5-billion bailout in 2008 and 2009, Treasury announced. Including Chrysler's payment of loans from the Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP, the government received $11.2 billion of the money back.

I'll be sure to keep the lube handy for more of your Porkulas "shovel ready" and TARP bailout deals.

Did you inadvertently leave Bush's name out of the thread title?

President Bush announced this morning that the government would lend the carmakers $17.4 billion in return for certain concessions.

The money is meant only to give the companies some breathing room, during which they can extensively restructure and prove their viability, Bush said. They have three months to do so. If they can’t, he said, the government will call its loans regardless, leaving the companies to their fates.

The money, which will come from the Troubled Asset Relief Program, at first will include $9.4 billion to General Motors and $4 billion to Chrysler. Both have said that they will fail without immediate help. Chrysler’s struggles were underlined this week when it announced it would shut its 30 factories for a full month, rather than the two weeks that is traditional at this time of year. Ford has said it doesn’t need immediate assistance.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/200 ... th-strings

Where have all the Obama pre election supporters gone. They don't seem to proud of their wonder boy anymore. You think Bush srcewed up the country? Can't wait until the next election and get rid of this loser.

jackspratt wrote:Did you inadvertently leave Bush's name out of the thread title?

You libs need to get over it... the Bush mantra is old news. He's gone and good riddance. It's now Obama, Reid and Pelosi's economy.....Well, not really Pelosi now. Her wings have been clipped

Ah!.............now I get it.

Bush gave Chrysler the money, but because they didn't pay it all back, it is Obama's fault.

I am not sure a lib could ever come to that convoluted conclusion.

Gotta love it.

Expat from another country whose posts reflect quite a bit advice for America, doesn't fully understand the governmental process in the US (many Americans don't either), didn't have a vote for any president -- much less the last one or the current one -- but going to come on here and defend a mess that he not only hasn't directly experienced, but a mess in which he has no direct connection.

Liberal Progressives (socialists) -- especially those from outside of America -- always think they know what's best for everyone else.

Worth the read!


Israeli Psychologist on Obama :
(Dr. Sam Vaknin is an Israeli psychologist. Interesting view on our president. Dr. Vaknin has written extensively about narcissism.)

Dr. Vaknin states "I must confess I was impressed by Obama from the first time I saw him. At first I was excited to see a black candidate. He looked youthful, spoke well, appeared to be confident---an attractive presidential package. I was put off soon, however, not just because of his shallowness but also because there was an unsettling air of arrogance and haughtiness in his demeanor. Soon it became evident that his posture and his body language were louder than his empty words. Obama's speeches are unlike any political speech we have heard in American history. Never has a politician in this land had such quasi "religious" impact on so many people. The fact that Obama is a total incognito with essentially zero previous accomplishment, makes this inexplicable infatuation alarming. Obama is not an ordinary man but he is not a genius. In fact he is quite ignorant on most important subjects."

Dr. Sam Vaknin, the author of the book Malignant Self Love believes "Barack Obama appears to be a narcissist." Vaknin is a world authority on narcissism. He understands narcissism and describes the inner mind of a narcissist like no other person. Vaknin says that Obama's language, posture and demeanor, and the testimonies of his closest friends suggest that the man is either a narcissist or he may have narcissistic personality disorder (NPD).

Narcissists project a grandiose but false image of themselves. Jim Jones, the charismatic leader of People's Temple, the man who led over 900 of his followers to cheerfully commit mass suicide and even murder their own children was also a narcissist. David Koresh, Charles Manson, Joseph Koni, Shoko Asahara, Stalin, Saddam, Mao, Kim Jong Ill and Adolph Hitler are a few examples of narcissists of our time. All these men had a tremendous influence over their fanciers. They created a personality cult around themselves and with their blazing speeches elevated their admirers, filled their hearts with enthusiasm and instilled in their minds a new zest for life. They gave them hope! They promised them the moon, but alas, invariably they brought them to their doom.

When you are a victim of a cult of personality, you don't know it until it is too late. One determining factor in the development of NPD is childhood abuse "Obama's early life was decidedly chaotic and replete with traumatic and mentally bruising dislocations,"says Vaknin. "Mixed-race marriages were even less common then. His parents went through a permanent split/divorce although it is not documented that they were ever even married when he was an infant two years old. Obama saw his father only one brief time that he can recall, before Obama Sr. died (intoxicated) in a car accident. Then his mother re-married and the boy Obama had to relocate to Indonesia, a foreign land with a radically foreign culture, to be raised by a step-father who was not fond of him. At the age of ten, he was sent off to live with his maternal grandparents. He saw his mother very little in the following years and then she vanished from his life in 1979, and she died of cancer in 1995.

One must never underestimate the manipulative genius of pathological narcissists. They project such an imposing personality that it overwhelms those around them. Charmed by the charisma of the narcissist, people become like clay in his hands. They cheerfully do his bidding and delight to be at his service. The narcissist shapes the world around himself and reduces others in his own inverted image. He creates a cult of personality. His admirers become his co-dependents. Narcissists have no interest in things that do not help them to reach their personal objective. They are focused on one thing alone and that is power. All other issues are meaningless to them and they do not want to waste their precious time on trivialities. Anything that does not help them is beneath them and does not deserve their attention.

If an issue raised in the Senate did not help Obama in one way or another, he had no interest in it. The "present" vote is a safe vote. No one can criticize him if things go wrong. Those issues are unworthy by their very nature because they are not about “Him“.

Obama's election as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review led to a contract and advance to write a book about race relations. The University of Chicago Law School provided him a lot longer than expected and at the end it evolved into, guess what? His own autobiography! Instead of writing a scholarly paper focusing on race relations, for which he had been paid, Obama could not resist writing about his most sublime self. He entitled the book Dreams from My Father.

Not surprisingly, Adolph Hitler also wrote his own autobiography when he was still a nobody. So did Stalin. For a narcissist no subject is as important as his own self. Why would he waste his precious time and genius writing about insignificant things when he can write about such an august being as himself?

Narcissists are often callous and even ruthless. As the norm, they lack conscience. This is evident from Obama's lack of interest in his own brother who lives on only one dollar per month.. A man who lives in luxury, who takes a private jet to vacation in Hawaii, and who raised nearly half a billion dollars for his campaign….has no interest in the plight of his own brother. Why? Because, his brother cannot be used for his ascent to power. A narcissist cares for no one but himself.

This election was like no other in the history of America . The issues were insignificant compared to what is at stake. What can be more dangerous than having a man bereft of conscience, a serial liar, and one who cannot distinguish his fantasies from reality as the leader of the free world?

One is a fool if one is not alarmed. Many politicians are have narcissistic tendancies. Often, however, they pose no threat to others. They are simply self serving and selfish. Obama evidences symptoms of pathological narcissism, which is different from the run-of-the-mill narcissism of a Richard Nixon or a Bill Clinton for example. To him reality and fantasy are intertwined.

This is a mental health issue, not just a character flaw. Pathological narcissists are dangerous because they look normal and even intelligent. It is this disguise that makes them treacherous. Today the Democrats have placed all their hopes in Obama. But this man could put an end to their party. The great majority of blacks voted for Obama. Only a fool does not know that their support for him is racially driven. This is racism, pure and simple.

The downside of this is that if Obama turns out to be the disaster I predict, he will cause widespread resentment among the whites. The blacks are unlikely to give up their support of their man. Cultic mentality is pernicious and unrelenting. They will dig their heads deeper in the sand and blame Obama's detractors of racism. This will cause a backlash among the whites. The white supremacists will take advantage of the discontent and they will receive widespread support. I predict that in less than four years, racial tensions will increase to levels never seen since the turbulent 1960's.

Obama will set the clock back decades. America has long been a bastion of freedom. The peace of the world depends very much upon the strength of America , and its weakness translates into the triumph of terrorism and victory of rogue nations.. It is no wonder that Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez, the Castrists, the Hezbollah, the Hamas, the lawyers of the Guantanamo terrorists, and virtually all sworn enemies of America are so thrilled by the prospect of their man in the White House." America is flirting with its own destruction. There is no insanity greater than electing a pathological narcissist as president.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill-

HOW TRUE!!!

Any article that puts Obama in the same class as Jim Jones, David Koresh, Charles Manson, Joseph Koni, Shoko Asahara, Stalin, Saddam, Mao, Kim Jong Ill and Adolph Hitler should ring some alarm bells......and lead to a snoops search at the minimum.

Turns out Sam Vaknin didn't write the article. It was written by a loonie. Of course, that's just my humble opinion.

Ricohoc wrote:Gotta love it.

Expat from another country whose posts reflect quite a bit advice for America, doesn't fully understand the governmental process in the US (many Americans don't either), didn't have a vote for any president -- much less the last one or the current one -- but going to come on here and defend a mess that he not only hasn't directly experienced, but a mess in which he has no direct connection.

Liberal Progressives (socialists) -- especially those from outside of America -- always think they know what's best for everyone else.

So putting aside your usual BS, WBU - where did the Chrysler money come from?

Simple question really, so you shouldn't need to struggle with it for long.

semperfiguy wrote:Worth the read!
Israeli Psychologist on Obama :
(Dr. Sam Vaknin is an Israeli psychologist. Interesting view on our president. Dr. Vaknin has written extensively about narcissism.)

Does the good doctor have an analysis on Bibi Netanyahu - now that would be interesting?

Or how the minor state of Israel can continually drive the policy of the world's leading democracy and economic power.

Semperfiguy
It's always worth the few minutes to check stuff like this out before posting it. It's easy to do and helps eliminate a lot of erroneus information from being passed around.

Just my 50 Satang worth.

Ricohoc wrote:
Liberal Progressives

From the Oxford Dictionary:

liberal
willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas

favourable to or respectful of individual rights and freedoms:liberal citizenship laws
(in a political context) favouring individual liberty, free trade, and moderate political and social reform

progressive
(of a person or idea) favouring social reform:

Yep, that sounds like me.

conservative
averse to change or innovation and holding traditional values

(in a political context) favouring free enterprise, private ownership, and socially conservative ideas.

Yep, that sounds like you.

I am happy and proud to be labelled as a Liberal Progressive. In fact, I find it hard to understand why any clear thinking person would want to be labelled otherwise.

Oops...seems I've stumbled into another right-wing alternate reality thread. Seems like JS is administering a fact thrashing. Eww...look at all the right-wing blood on the walls and teeth on the floor. I do hope someone will tidy up afterward. I'll be going now. Smooches!

The good news is all you Liberal Progressives are backing a looser... Remember the peanut farmer? The Community Organizer is destined to the same fate.