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Re: The Pounds Recovery?

Postby kjellsnell » October 12, 2010, 4:57 pm

Somebody believes in buying english pound whit thai bath at this moment........like an investment...
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Re: The Pounds Recovery?

Postby JimboPSM » October 12, 2010, 5:06 pm

Bob, while I agree that the UK economy is in a pretty bad shape and the news is not brilliant, when I stand back and look at the overall economic performance of the UK and compare it with other economic areas all of a sudden it does not look anything like as bad.

Too often in the UK we look at our pint pot and see it as half empty rather than half full.

I do not see any realistic alternative to the “austerity” program that the coalition government is proposing – the degree of austerity may be debatable, but in my opinion the need for austerity is not (as long as we don’t want to be a party in the race to the bottom).

It does seem that although the public do not like the prospect of austerity they are willing to put up with it because they recognise that the impact of the financial meltdown meant that the old “New Labour” political and economic policies of Blair/Brown/Darling were completely unsustainable.

I am taking less and less notice of media talk of what may or may not be necessary because so much of it is prompted by the vested economic interests of the media owners and/or their advertisers :(

Similarly I am taking less and less notice of what the markets say because they are wrong so often –possibly due to the amount of manipulation they are now subject to by those who are in a position to do so :(
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Re: The Pounds Recovery?

Postby lepidoptra » October 12, 2010, 7:52 pm

Today the Thai government has introduced 3 different methods of curbing the rising baht (They're explained in Bangkok Post). Good news I thought until I saw that the baht had strengthened against the GBP.
Jimbo your posts are excellent =D> on this debate
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Re: The Pounds Recovery?

Postby lepidoptra » October 12, 2010, 8:03 pm

kjellsnell wrote:Somebody believes in buying english pound whit thai bath at this moment........like an investment...


Now that's a thought, if every person in Thailand purchased the GBP ..... like an investment then surely the value of the pound would soar and the Thai baht would weaken.
At a later stage they could all buy back their Thai baht and make a hefty profit!!!!
Now I await to be shot down in flames for my silly post =D>
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Re: The Pounds Recovery?

Postby kjellsnell » October 12, 2010, 8:16 pm

lepidoptra wrote:
kjellsnell wrote:Somebody believes in buying english pound whit thai bath at this moment........like an investment...


Now that's a thought, if every person in Thailand purchased the GBP ..... like an investment then surely the value of the pound would soar and the Thai baht would weaken.
At a later stage they could all buy back their Thai baht and make a hefty profit!!!!
Now I await to be shot down in flames for my silly post =D>


Great! At least one belive in this extremely god idea........Yea!
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Re: The Pounds Recovery?

Postby arjay » October 16, 2010, 8:54 am

Some related perspectives on the pounds likley movement against the Euro and Dollar:

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/artic ... _page_id=2
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Re: The Pounds Recovery?

Postby rick » October 17, 2010, 7:17 am

Interesting that the experts do not seem to agree on much more than a few months out. Surprising that so many think Quantitive Easing will restart in the UK - I would have thought with the change of government doing that would be an admission that labour got it right. It will be interesting to see what works next year - USA continuing QE, or UK and its slashing of expenditure. Will the USA start to properly recover and the UK's recovery die? Or the other way round? Could be the biggest economics experiment since WW2.
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Re: The Pounds Recovery?

Postby KHONDAHM » October 17, 2010, 8:08 am

I must admit that I remain utterly baffled as to why the UK persists to follow the USA down the path to ruin. I mean, really! Your MPs are generally far, far more sensible, pragmatic, and intelligent than our Congress. Your voting population is much more in touch than ours - especially about international affairs and the global economies. From the wars to the economy - why oh why does the UK, our former ruler, seem to follow our lead (mis-lead) so much..?
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Re: The Pounds Recovery?

Postby hangsaboot » October 17, 2010, 4:13 pm

I mean, really! Your MPs are generally far, far more sensible, pragmatic, and intelligent than our Congress. Your voting population is much more in touch than ours - especially about international affairs and the global economies.

is the above ,
a matter of opinion or a matter of fact .?
where do you get this biased imformation from ?. :-k

the great has long gone from britain , never to return . :(
thailands income from exports , is on the up n up.
god bless ,, the poor farang third world counties . :shock:
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Re: The Pounds Recovery?

Postby JimboPSM » October 28, 2010, 11:25 am

From October 12th 2010:
JimboPSM wrote:The recovery of the GBP stalled a couple of months ago when the GBP tested and failed to break through 1.60 against the USD; for the GBP to improve against the THB it really has to break through 1.60 against the USD......

Update – the GBP did manage to briefly break through the 1.60 level on a couple of occasions but was unable to sustain its break through because of the amount of negative sentiment against the GBP in the financial markets and is now back in the upper part of its recent range of 1.525 to 1.585 :(

The negative sentiment in the financial markets has actually been exacerbated by improved UK economic data that decreases the likelihood that any further QE will occur :shock:

This apparent contradiction is because while (as a generalisation) ordinary folk and businesses instinctively don’t like QE, the financial folk in the City do and the financial folk are now feeling annoyed and frustrated as the prospect of their next free handout is slipping from their grasp :crying:

A similar frustration (IMHO) is showing across the pond where, if the UK does not go ahead with further QE, the pressure will increase not to go ahead with QE2 in the US and the prospect of the next free handout to Wall St also diminishes.

Updated Chart:
2010.05.17 GBP-THB 01.jpg
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Re: The Pounds Recovery?

Postby lepidoptra » November 9, 2010, 11:55 am

For the last few days the GBP seems to be making ground against the Euro and US dollar. Having said that,once again, the
pound slides to below 48 to the Thai baht.
Explanations please or opinions from other members but no quotes from professional financial experts who are about as reliable as looking into a crystal ball. :D
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Re: The Pounds Recovery?

Postby arjay » November 9, 2010, 5:11 pm

lepidoptra wrote:For the last few days the GBP seems to be making ground against the Euro and US dollar. Having said that,once again, the
pound slides to below 48 to the Thai baht.
Explanations please or opinions from other members but no quotes from professional financial experts who are about as reliable as looking into a crystal ball. :D

Lepidoptra, the way I see it, or my ten penneth:

The US pumps money, - QE, and now QE2 - into the system, - which causes the value of the dollar to fall. Because of the falling value of the dollar money (and maybe lot of that QE money!) is directed to and invested in the countries/areas with strong currencies, i.e. those which haven't been as affected by the recession and where growth, currencies & interest rates are higher or expected to be higher - (i.e. Asia & SE Asia). All of which makes the currencies of those (Asian) countries even stronger. That's why the baht is continuing to go from strength to strength.

The UK did the right thing (earlier in the year and more recently through the spending review), by announcing & introducing "austerity measures", which gave sterling its upward boost at that time. When talk of more QE in the UK cropped up a few weeks back, that caused sterling to fall (because if further QE was injected it would cause sterling to fall). When better than expected Uk growth (GDP?) figures were released a week or so back which suggested that further QE was much less likely now, that again gave sterling a boost; .... as did the US's announcement of QE2 - as the dollar fell against sterling and the Euro. Since then the initial euphoria of the QE has started to wane and sterling has eased back again.

The Euro is currently waxing and waning as a result of worries about government debt (e.g. Greece, Ireland etc) and the risks of contagion within the EU, and thus its exchange rate against the pound and dollar move.

As a general point sterling is likely to remain relatively weak whilst there is little or no prospect of higher interest rates in the UK and/or whilst there is any prospect of any further QE in the UK (which could arise if the economic recovery falters). If inflation is thought to be becoming a problem and thus interest rates likely to increase (to stifle it), that's when sterling should rise. Also sentiment on sterling is affected by the releases of various relevant economic data.

Similarly higher interest rates in one country will tend to attract money from countries with lower interest rates, and Thailand and most SE Asian countries currently have higher interest rates than the UK, Europe or the US.

It's currently something of a dilemma, as historically if the Dollar had a problem or was weak, money would be directed to the Euro or Sterling. If the Euro had a problem money would be directed to the dollar or sterling, and so on. However currently no one currently wants to put their money in any of those three currencies, (they all have their downsides/low interest rates etc). So where can the money go? - Singapore, Hong Kong, Australian or Canadian dollars, Thailand baht or Gold. ;)
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Re: The Pounds Recovery?

Postby wiking » November 9, 2010, 8:52 pm

dollar and pound will go 10-20% down next 2 year - both countries close to bankrupt
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Re: The Pounds Recovery?

Postby 747man » November 9, 2010, 9:08 pm

ICELAND ALREADY IS BANKRUPT
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Re: The Pounds Recovery?

Postby KHONDAHM » November 10, 2010, 6:51 am

Clear and concise explanation, Arjay. Bravo!

What we are witnessing with money moving to Asia is the beginning manifestations of the outright rejection of the dollar. The clueless Fed and Treasury can't seem to sort out the fact that the banks are getting free QE money from them and using it to buy foreign currencies or sit in foreign banks/bonds. They profit from the interest AND the appreciation of the foreign currency. A bank having done that, say in January 2010, would now be sitting on a 11-15% or more gain.

Why oh why would that bank RISK loaning that money domestically for a paltry return of 5% or so? It boggles the mind how clueless we Americans are sometimes.
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