The President of America

we in the west dont force our religion on the muslims.we can not build or practice our religion in their country.u call that demecratic. keep up the good work suicide bombers they are only killing each other.at least they cant claim benifits

Kp I will stick with "lots" as in 100 muslims died in the world trade towers. I really dislike the rigors of academic reasearch like google (and spell check) plus it would prevent me from beign clobbered for beaing way off base when I shoot from the hip.

Collateral, I'm sure.

Nobody has addressed the irony of the we-don't-care-what-you-think attitude of the Muslims trying to build this thing in lower Manhattan two blocks from the WTC site.
That sort of arrogant, insulting hubris is suddenly acceptable? Shoving your symbols and morals and foreign ideas upon an unwelcoming community used to be a bad thing.
Ten years ago is was so reviled that many said, "you had it coming."

Has something changed?

It seems now that if you don't accept carte blanche anything that anyone wants to force you into, you're an intolerant, racist, xenophobic bigot.

Which is it?

Actually 'texpat' many of us do care, but as with so many things, when one reads the press and the other articles that come out of the USA we feel it is rather pointless to say anything other than,let the laws of the USA decide. I empathise with those who feel hurt and upset over the decision. I feel ashamed that some other religion is trying to cause mental harm to the country that until recently was a very tolerant country where all and sundry could seek refuge.
Over the years I have seen the USA try to impose its view of the world upon countless other places , some of it was warranted and some was hidden beneath a cloak of respectibiity, other countries notably the British have done the same over the years too, now it could be said the West has had it coming, this religious fervour about Muslims, has been ongoing as I previously stated for hundreds of years and I am sure it will continue, but constantly trying to re-arange the world to suit ourselves is I am afraid counter-productive, Two world wars luckily were not really about religion, neither was many of the conflicts before or since. it is only rally the recent conflicts involving Muslim countries that have raised the stakes in regard to religion, and they history tells us, will carry on for years, unless an agreed and workable compromise can be achieved. Bigotry has nothing to do with it, it is a rational and sensible route to take, the backlash will be impossible to contain in any country, as we in the so-called educated countries have for years offered haven to the down-trodden, the persecuted and the poor, the numbers of possible protaginists legally in our countries are enormous, leaving our back doors open as it were.
I remember the debacle of Reds under the Beds scenario and other scare tactics shown to many citizens due to their birth place and other things. Surely we have progressed beyond these actions. If America says you cannot build because you are Muslim then you open the door to more and more attacks. You have to say NO with a reason that would apply to all or else reap the desserts.

If America says you cannot build because you are Muslim then you open the door to more and more attacks.

That's what most people call extortion. If you accept that, it's your business.
This is America we're talking about. Not some mamby-pamby pandering backwater.
Muslims are welcome in America. But the Mosque is clearly not welcome in this particular piece of real estate.

I don't think it's anybody's business what New Yorkers decide for themselves.

You can't build a Nazi paraphanalia store near Auschwitz.
You can't build a synagogue in Saudi Arabia.
You can't build a head shop near a school.
You can't put up a strip club across from a church.
You can't build a mosque next to Ground Zero. America is huge. Find another location.

What is so maddeningly insulting about that?

I see a lot of people trying to emasculate America. Dictate to America how things must work.
They can just ****-off now.

BBC
9 August 2010

German police have shut down the Hamburg mosque where the 9/11 hijackers met before their suicide attacks on the US in 2001.
Police said they believed the Taiba mosque was again being used as a meeting point for extremists.
The cultural association that runs the mosque has also been banned.

Golly, guess the Germans got it wrong, too.
And in Azerbaijan

In Azerbaijan a number of Muslim clerics are speaking out against the government's decision to close certain mosques. The closures come just five months after a new law on religion came into effect.
The government says the law is designed to make following Islam and other faiths easier in a secular state. But, as Tom Esslemont reports, critics say it is an over-reaction to the threat of Islamic fundamentalism.

And in Spain:

Spanish authorities closed a mosque in the island of Ibiza and arrested its imam after charging him with beating several Muslim students in the mosque school, local press reported.

And in Indonesia: http://www.fatihsyuhud.com/ahmadiyah-mo ... park-riot/
And Bahrain: http://www.bahrainrights.org/en/node/2692

Telling someone they can't build a house of worship in a specific location is not denying anyone of religious freedom.

Who would want to build a house of worship in a location where 70 percent of the locals are vehemently against it being there? Move it down the road and respect the community.

Agreed respect the community, BUT YOU CANNOT MAKE THEM GIVE THAT RESPECT, that's the problem.

"Who would want to build a house of worship in a location where 70 percent of the locals are vehemently against it being there? Move it down the road and respect the community."

Wonder if the same 70% rule applied to schools in Mississippi back in the 50/60's?

"Who would want to build a house of worship in a location where 70 percent of the locals are vehemently against it being there? Move it down the road and respect the community."

Wonder if the same 70% rule applied to schools in Mississippi back in the 50/60's?

Guys to answer all your questions, I didnt respond becasue my internet was down all weekend. By the way i wuldnt have responded to the oklahoma city bombings analogy becasue its just rediculous!

Also and mark my words here, The spread of fundamentalist Islam is the biggest threat to your life, your way of life, your culture in this century! the reason the deline in christianity in the west is becasue of education. Fundamentalism rares its ugly head when people arent educated, cant feed their families and need someone to blame for their lot in life, places such as Pakistan, afganistan etc etc.

Somebody mentioned that you cant practice your religion in muslim countries, not necessarily true, In Kuwait you can practice no problem.

Turkey while not a perfect country, as no country is should be an example to all Muslim countries about the seperation of religion and state. They are a muslim country but secular as all governments should be.

The building of that mosque on park place is insensitive and ill conceived. While those of you out there are defending it I wonder how you would feel if your brother, wife, husband ,son, daughter or in my case your best friend had been killed. You need to think about the victims, their families and how they feel. Obviously these people know they are causing a shitstorm and couldnt give a toss. Those of you defending their actions to build the mosque a 60 second walk from the site of the wtc need to rethink, put yourself in the position of the people left behind. Be sensitive to how they are feeling, please!

parrot wrote:"Who would want to build a house of worship in a location where 70 percent of the locals are vehemently against it being there? Move it down the road and respect the community."

Well, just makes sense don't it?

If you really want your ass beat, then go for it.
Not all Americans are such wimpy, left-coast pushovers.
Like I said, I've no dog in this race. My sister, however is a different story.

Why not move it down the road unless you're trying to make a statement -- Look up Cordoba....

Missing the point people, no-one is defending the decision to build the Mosque, at the location they want, wew are just trying to defend the legal process of determining where it is going to be built, if you have a problem with that , then as Americans do something about it, BUT don't have a go at those of us who are not Americans for defending the legal process of your country .
Most of us do not agree with the decision, but none of us can do anything about it. It is an American problem so deal with it.

Just as a side note there is no such person as "President of America", last I heard Obama was President of The United States of America

Khun Paul wrote:defending the legal process of your country .

Too funny...