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To Much of a generalization or not??

Postby BKKSTAN » March 6, 2007, 2:42 am

Thai society at fault for poor English-language usage

As a five-year veteran teacher in the Thai school system, I must openly lament the end of another futile, frustrating year trying to impart English to Thai high-school students. I have finally concluded that it is a waste of my time and talent to work in the Thai education system. I sincerely hope that Thai schools, government or private, cease English classes altogether as they are a collective failure.

Let me elaborate: By the time Thai students reach their first year of high school, they are intellectually dead on arrival. Most have no imagination, creativity, curiosity or maturity. The reasons why, I suppose, relate to government indifference, the anti-intellectual ethos of Thai society, and the unquestioning nature of Thai parents.

Anyway, in high schools here, the classes are at least twice as big as they should be, resources are scarce, standards for English are too low, and students are not allowed to fail even those low standards. Add to this mess corrupt, absentee directors who know little about education, Thai-English programme managers with feudal philosophies of management (with the inevitable high turnover of foreign English teachers), and you know why Thais are infamous for their poor English skills and lack of general knowledge.

I strongly advise those foreigners thinking about teaching English in Thailand to work only at reputable international schools. Other alternatives are private English lessons with bona fide English-loving Thais or corporate work with interested groups.

I advise the Thai government to start getting serious about education in general and English in particular. Otherwise, Thai schools will continue to be merely youth warehouses that destroy potential and turn out (mostly) dullards year after year after year.

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Postby Ricohoc » March 6, 2007, 5:05 am

Hey, Stan. Is this point of view an isolated case, or is this the general perception by most of the Thai educational system?
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Postby BKKSTAN » March 6, 2007, 7:40 am

It expresses my sentiments about the system,but some might disagree.My daughter is testing today and tomorrow for the 9th grade in the so-called ''best'' school in Nong Khai,St.Paul and it is a joke!
I am considering taking her completely out of the school system and having her privately tutored.
We have experienced 4 private schools and they are all BS :mad:

The first few grades are OK,after that ,a waste of time except baby sitting and having other children to interact with :cry:
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Postby Ricohoc » March 6, 2007, 7:44 am

Interesting ...

And I'm disappointed to hear that. :(
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Postby Doc » March 6, 2007, 2:13 pm

Having taught in government schools and private schools, I have to agree with the writer's sentiments. Unfortunately, any complaints about the education system - and in particular the English language program falls on deaf ears. Suffice to say, I am disappointed enough with the government education system that it is doubtful that I will return to it here in Thailand. Private schools can be a different story, but the number of quality private schools similar to AUA are few and far between.
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Postby arjay » March 6, 2007, 6:23 pm

Having taught English in a Thai language school and a college for some 5 years in total, I too would have to echo the sentiments of the writer. I would even have to agree with Doc on this one!!! :lol:

Ironically the language school students who were mostly bar girls probably had more personal motivation than the college students, but were more limited by their lack of previous education, IQ and ability to retain information.
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Postby banpaeng » March 6, 2007, 9:32 pm

arjay wrote:Ironically the language school students who were mostly bar girls probably had more personal motivation than the college students, but were more limited by their lack of previous education, IQ and ability to retain information.


Sorry I have to take offense with this last statement. IQ and ability to retain information is not limited to Bar Girls.

Actually some of them are quite gifted. Seen so many they have outsmarted. :lol:
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Postby arjay » March 7, 2007, 12:23 am

Agreed BP, I should not have generalised. :oops: There are always exceptions, in both camps!! Let's say a number of the students I taught tended to have limitations. ;)
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Postby Doc » March 7, 2007, 4:06 am

Arjay - since your post limits your teaching experience, in general, to bar girls, then I would hesitate to call you an experienced teacher and qualified to really comment on teaching in Thailand...
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Postby BKKSTAN » March 7, 2007, 6:41 am

Doc wrote:Arjay - since your post limits your teaching experience, in general, to bar girls, then I would hesitate to call you an experienced teacher and qualified to really comment on teaching in Thailand...
:lol: doc,are you saying only bar girls attend college #-o I read that he was comparing his bar girl students in language school to students in his college classes #-o
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Postby valentine » March 7, 2007, 7:13 am

Doc wrote:Arjay - since your post limits your teaching experience, in general, to bar girls, then I would hesitate to call you an experienced teacher and qualified to really comment on teaching in Thailand...

The ability to read the written word is also an important qualification for a teacher. In which I would considerer Arjay to have more than a head start Doc. [-X
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Postby BKKSTAN » March 7, 2007, 8:57 am

I would say Arjay might be the best at articulation on the forum!I have learned alot from him :D
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Postby beer monkey » March 7, 2007, 5:52 pm

i fault i was the bestest at artikulating me self on this here forum like, you know what me mean everyone. :D
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Postby cookie » March 7, 2007, 5:54 pm

und ich, ist meine "articulation" nicht gut??
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Postby arjay » March 7, 2007, 11:14 pm

Thanks for the PM, (apologising for having mis-read my post) Doc. :D

In fact, I taught in a Language school for just over a year, but in a college of further education for 4 years. The latter included some High School students, but mostly Higher Educational ("Provoshaw?) College students. [I also did some extra-curricula teaching of Hotel staff.]

And yes, I was comparing the two. :D

I think what I was trying to say, was that often the BG's had greater motivation (i.e. a greater desire to learn) than the College students, who (as per the original post) often played around, took nothing seriously, yet the school ultimately felt obliged to pass them, simply because their wealthier parents were paying the school fees. :( Their objective seemed to be that everything had to be "sanook".

If there was a school Karaoke competition, or cheer leader training, on at the same time as their English lesson, they would always skive off the English lesson, (regardless of who the teacher was!!). :mad: :(

As I said, the BG's were, I felt, often more motivated (than the College students) - wanted to learn English that much more, but at times struggled and became frustrated if (like me) they were unable to remember things easily. :?

My original post was intended to be both a comparison and an endorsement of the original poster's comments. :D
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