ClimateGate busts things wide open

http://mclean.ch/climate/docs/IPCC_numbers.pdf
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... n19506379/
IPCC reviewers. Same old number stacking rorts that local councils get up to. It is useful to follow the history of this scam from the start of FatAlberts involvement with Revelle through the 'Limits to growth', 'Population Time Bomb", drug addled Marxist Hippie era into thre present where a lot of the Hippies are running at the top of the tree in what is unfolding. The weren't going to get jobs making cars or banking were they?? Where do you think their networks were going to take them??? They were Uni Grads with contacts. its so simple, "follow the money" taxpayer money.

http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/1 ... rting.html
The only thing in global warming that is man made is the IPCC 'facts'.

http://www.financialpost.com/story-prin ... id=2056988

last but not least, poor Harry.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/25/c ... -codified/

regards

http://biggovernment.com/2009/12/11/un- ... more-44722

watch the short vid. says it all really. (do not question us, ve are the new EcoGestapo!!!) how sad.
this is the same man who was a cooler proponent until he realised the amount of money to be made in warming. and he says it is OK to lie so long as the end justifies the means. FatAlbert attracts his own kind doesn't he??

regards

Please do watch the vid, and ask yourself:

1. Why was it cut, and what happened during the period between the second question from McAleer, and the intervention of the guard?

2. Was Prof Schneider even on the stage during part 2 of the video? - from looking at the video a number of times, I can't see him.

3. Why was there no sound from McAleer's microphone when the woman in the blue, and then the "assistant", approached him? - there clearly was discussion occurring.

In the absence of answers to these pretty basic questions, this video (? propaganda) has the same degree of credibility as the deniers.

As Micheal C so well put it in another thread:

So far, the fight of the deniers has been in the political, economic and media arena, because there is no credible scientific arena that will even consider anything not supported by evidence.

Here is a good article with interesting pro and con GW comments.
http://timesonline.typepad.com/science/ ... asics.html

BTW Why has little been said (and probably I missed it) about the changes in water vapor on the Earth's climate within the last 50 or 100 years. Supposedly water vapor has a greenhouse effect somewhat in a magnitude of 100 times that of CO2. Consider the vast increase in urban water and sewage systems, irrigation use, dams, etc. Those white cloud-like streams from industrial smoke stacks and jets are water vapor. Combustion engines emit water vapor. All animals and plants emit water vapor. Why doesn't global warming theory and analysis consider this pollutant?

A Memo from Dr. Zero to the Global Warming Fanatics

Dear global warming fanatics,

Please. Stop. You’re embarrassing yourselves. Take a deep breath, and try to understand what has happened to you during the past month. You need to accept that your dreams of global domination are over. Increasingly shrill attempts to terrify the masses into ignoring Climagate are only making you look foolish. The con job you’ve been running for the last thirty years is busted forever.

I know this is difficult for you to accept. Things seemed to be going well. You’ve got the cap-and-trade bill lurking over the United States, ready to shatter an already weakened economy plagued with unemployment problems, and effectively end America’s role as a dominant industrial power. Your beliefs have been instituted in public schools as the official state religion, whose rituals and incantations are forced upon millions of school children. The wealthy royalty of popular culture is pleased to produce an endless string of movies, music, and television programming to market your beliefs. Your critics were marginalized to the point where the presidential candidate from the 2000 Democrat ticket felt comfortable referring to them as Nazis.

I can see how losing all of this cultural and political power in a few short weeks would be stunning. I hope the shock has dissipated enough for you to understand where we are now, and where we are going from here.

You aren’t going to frighten the world into reducing the human population. You’re not going to succeed in terrorizing free people into embracing totalitarianism, to fend off a phantasmal catastrophe that no democratic nation has the discipline to combat. We’re not going to politely ignore swarms of private jets and limos ferrying you to carbon-belching “climate summits,” where you draw up plans for the Western proletariat to live as primitive hunter-gatherers. We’re not going to let a pampered elitist, who once flew around the world to attend cricket practice, tell us that we need to make do without air travel and ice water.

We’ll never be foolish enough to allow a band of fanatics to use “peer review” to rule all dissenting opinion out-of-bounds, then declare themselves the proud owners of a mighty consensus. You global-warming fanatics underestimate how much you needed those tactics to gain power. You’ll never have that kind of unchallenged authority again, because we will never stop demanding the raw data, and we’ll drown you in laughter when you mutter something about deleting it by accident. We will never forget that you began with a conclusion and sought to harvest data that supported it – the exact opposite of the scientific method.

Your arrogant condescension to your critics is horribly misplaced. You have completely lost the ability to call anyone “stupid.” Your capacity for reason is the matter in question. Your status as “scientists” is on probation. It will take years of faithful adherence to the scientific method, and rigorous efforts to test and disprove your hypotheses, before you can regain the trust of thoughtful men and women. Until you have accomplished this, the attitude we expect from you is humility and contrition. You have much to answer for. The time for you to issue pompous lectures is over. The time for you to give sworn testimony may soon begin. We’re a year away from the American voter’s first opportunity to respond to the politicians who terrorized them by waving a loaded cap-and-trade bill in their faces.

We ask you to stop propagandizing our children, because it won’t work any more. We will prepare them to deal with you. Informed parents across the industrialized world will explain what Climagate means to their children, and prepare them with questions your public-education minions cannot answer. The vindicated critics you’ve been working to silence will fill the post-Climagate void with publications, and some of them will become best-sellers. You’ll always have your political allies and fellow travelers, but you’ll never have a population ignorant of climate science to push around again.

You can stop trying to make Climagate go away by ignoring it, or lying about it. That won’t work, either. Huge stories can no longer be suppressed by a handful of like-minded network executives and editors. Those glittering eyes you see in the darkness, beyond the comforting glow of the New York Times editorial board, are the massed ranks of the Internet’s Army of Davids. They are a feral mixture of blogging curiosity and search-engine memory. If you think they’re closing in around you… well, it’s not just your imagination.

One of the worst sins you must answer for is the damage you have done to real science. We have much to learn about the Earth, its ecology, and its climate. We will not enhance our ability to learn those secrets by impoverishing ourselves in fit of primitive superstition and political opportunism. Desperate people don’t do a good job of protecting the environment… it is a job suitable only to vibrant nations of industry and technology. Those of us who still cherish independent thought, and the spirit of scientific inquiry, would like to resume our studies of the universe. It’s difficult to hear the truth whispered in the tides, the breeze, and the solar wind over the hysterical jabbering of fanatics, and the angry demands of greedy politicians.

Update: Thanks to osogrande for pointing out a typo where I referred to Al Gore as the 2000 vice-presidential candidate. I’ve corrected the mistake. I wanted to acknowledge the error, instead of claiming my original raw data was accidentally deleted.

Rico even when you are cut-and-pasting opinionated nonsense, I don't believe it relieves you from following forum rules requiring a link, so the original source can be accessed.

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/20 ... ming-cult/

Thanks for linking it. I'm usually very detailed in that regard.

The Goracle dropped in on the Copenhagen Stand Up Comedy Club and delivered this gem.

Mr Gore, speaking at the Copenhagen climate change summit, stated the latest research showed that the Arctic could be completely ice-free in five years.

In his speech, Mr Gore told the conference: “These figures are fresh. Some of the models suggest to Dr [Wieslav] Maslowski that there is a 75 per cent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during the summer months, could be completely ice-free within five to seven years.”

However, the climatologist whose work Mr Gore was relying upon dropped the former Vice-President in the water with an icy blast.

“It’s unclear to me how this figure was arrived at,” Dr Maslowski said. “I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this.”

Mr Gore’s office later admitted that the 75 per cent figure was one used by Dr Maslowksi as a “ballpark figure” several years ago in a conversation with Mr Gore.

We're now using "ballpark" figures? What next???

Reporters catch Gore in ‘embarrassing error’ about claim of ice-free Arctic—Gore Admits Error

Those resources are good for some things, but I am not likely to believe two Internet organizations and their assessment of any of this until a reasonable and unbiased investigation can occur -- which it has not. There have only been dismissive and insulting remarks that continue to come from "experts" on climate change toward those who look at the information revealed in these emails as a serious breach of the public trust.

However, I am not going to shoot the messenger. Jimbo, you are level-headed in your judgment and analysis, and I appreciate those links; but I'm not likely to put any stock in them for the primary reason stated above.

Lastly, those scientists who have been previously involved in all of this "peer review" nonsense that has been limited to those who are in agreement, need to find an unbiased group to investigate this. Having co-conspirators investigate the conspirators arrives at no conclusion other than the "peer review" conclusion again. Hardly credible.

Thanks Jimbo.

A couple of Inconvenient Reads

jackspratt wrote:7 posts - 4 climate-change skeptics.

This looks like being a really interesting thread

Pot, meet kettle.

Indeed - at the moment I am scoring it 5 - 2 to the UM believers

Or expressed another way, probably 2000+ to the accepted scientific consensus, and 100+ to the deniers (leaving out the world government/world tax loonies)

The hits just keep on coming!

Climategate goes SERIAL: now the Russians confirm that UK climate scientists manipulated data to exaggerate global warming

Climategate just got much, much bigger. And all thanks to the Russians who, with perfect timing, dropped this bombshell just as the world’s leaders are gathering in Copenhagen to discuss ways of carbon-taxing us all back to the dark ages.

I hardly think that one economics think tank constitutes "the Russians", however accurate or relevant the press release by the Institute for Economic Analysis may be.