A question about teenage girlfriends and farrangs

I have seen this happen at least once and truthfully more then once. A farrrang around 50. constantly on the look for girls 15 or at the least age I have seen, what would you do? If anything.

Believe me I know that this is a very controversial subject.

I will lay out a situation that I believe to be fact, I say believe as I really don't know all the aspects of what happened.

The guy starts "dating" a 15 year old. Now keep in mind that this girl is brought to him, for the specific purpose of having sex with her for money. Eventually this goes long term and the grand parents step in insist on a dowery and a village wedding that happens and has went at least four years that I know of. So the kid is now of age.

However he is accused of having sex with a step daughter, by the step daughter. This one goes to the police. Did he really have sex with her I don't know that to be a fact, but that is what was alleged. The end result an Uncle ended up with a large sum of money, I guess again, I don't know that the cops ended up with sum tea money and the girl ended up with a motorcycle.

Now I'm hearing, not seeing that he has got himellf a new 15 year old.

Is it wrong well it is definetly wrong for me. Unusual I really don't think so, remember in the incident where the Police became involved it all went away with money. You also have to remember in both of the incidents the famalies knew and were involved in them in some aspect, with what appears to be a strong motivation of money.

So it makes me wonder other then the feeling of self rightousness, what is the good of getting involved and reporting these activities.


I really don't see that the child is going to be protected.

If the famalies of the children were not involved or they would not accept the buy off then I might feel differently about it. But I haven't seen that at all.

So I guess the big questioni if your involvement is not going to stop the action nor protect in the future. What is the purpose of getting involved?

I have seen this also and I have chosen to not get involved as I have known none of the participants well enough to make a practical judgement!

I have responsibilities to my family and myself that have to come first!As a falang,I am always cognizant of the fact that I have no real support system in Thailand,therefore no power and possibly little respect!

Intervention can bring harsh penalties upon a person interfering in an area that seems consensual for sure.I have heard about revenge,extortion and constant itimidation of falangs choosing to intervene!

You might think so because of my statements,but I will assure you that I don't consider this cowardly in any form!If I was to happen upon an assault situation,it is my nature to intervene unless there are many other ''observers''.If I was in my own country,the circumstances would,in most cases, be different .The police are there to ''protect and serve''!As a matter of fact,I would report the man to the authorities!

I don't see it that way at all, pretty much my own position, this ain' t Kansas Toto, what brought the thought up was the the thread on the Mia Noi for the 35 year old Thai. None us seemed to fully agree with the idea.

My child that would be a very different story, that would definetly be my business, a I'm sure it would be for you as well. I think you right your not going to get a lot of support from your fellow American's here, or at least that has been my experience so far.

To me since the family involvement seems so strong this one is Thai busines and not mine. If it really upset them they would do something about it, it's not like we are a protected species here.

Interesting topic Ray. First let me say from my observations living near a secondary school, that the proportion of girls still virgin at 15 is certainly less than 50%, I would dare to suggest maybe even much lower. I am aware of many of that age who reguarly work the Chareonsri centre every Saturday under the guidance of a young katoey. Their motives for this appear to be purely the desire to possess the latest fashions, especially mobile phones.
Now the 50% I mentioned mostly consist of girls playing around with boys their own age, which I suppose doesn't come into your equation and I only mention because it shows the "modern attitude" to sex.The latter however are , using any definition , selling their sex.Now if you accept that, then what difference does the age of the purchaser make, or whether he is farang or Thai?It must be remembered, firstly, girls are maturing at a much younger age now, one of my own daughters started menstruation just after her 12th birthday, when this starts so does the other reproductive urges, yes they actually have sexual desires, thankfully with most ,it manifests itself with puppy love for the current teenage idol, who generally isn't readily available to them.So they stay chaste.Now coupled with this earlier developement is the modern pressure to conform with the "norm" as displayed in the adverts in magazines and on TV. They want to be like that, they want to be grown up, they want all the paraphenalia they see as being part of grown up. Where does the money come from?
It only takes one girl to realise , she is , literally, sitting on a fortune and to start cashing in her assets, getting the latest video phone etc, then others will see and emulate her.
Please in case anyone gets the wrong idea about me, I do not condone this, I have brought 3 daughters up to maturity and seen this early developement at first hand. I have had my share of being called"old fashioned", of being told "You don't understand" when I have insisted my 15 year old gets in before 10.00pm.
In the example you gave Ray, maybe poverty was part of the equation, but the majority of the ones I have observed come from good families and are attending college or university, no excuses here.
Now the final consideration, whether a 50 year old man should have a relationship with a 15 year old?I suppose one school of thought could say, if the product is for sale, why shouldn't he be a buyer, regardless of his age. I personally prefer my women to be more mature in all respects, so it wouldn't interest me, but remember many men, and maybe some on this forum, are 60 and over and have a wife of 25, same age difference.

Ya I get your message a rather brave one but I think accurate in many ways. I to have raised three dughters and yep they are very much human, no matter where you are. In the western culture they as a general rule will not think in terms of selling sex. But on the other hand Mama and Papa are buying the cell phones Ect.

I really don't believe it's right simply because as they are not mature enough to look to the future and what the activity may bring into thier lives later on.

That being a huge difference in my mind from a 25 year old to a 15 year old.

But is it really for me to make that judgement for someone other then myself?

If the Thai's are willing to accept it with thier children and then profit from it. The Thai authorities may run up all kinds of flags, but they also choose to ignore if there is financial gain involved. The reality seems very different then the flags being waved.If that were not true the in the instance I laid out the guy would have been deported years ago.

With this recent Karr situation, there is abolutley no doubt in my mind that if it were to come up now there woud be criminal prosecution followed by deporatation and being black listed. Very dangersous adventure at the moment for a farrang


So it makes for a very difficult decesion, if one wishes to pursue it. By the way I'm not trying to make the decesion just thought this would make for an interesting discussion.

There are many things to learn in the real Thailand.

Val,IMO, you make some very good points about the changing times,habits and desires amongst modern day teenagers.There is a lot of ''pressure''to be fashionable,preppy and ''less old fashioned''.I guess I shouldn't be so surprised,but I am!Seems things are changing faster than I am aware of.My daughter is 14 1/2,so far we have a tight rein on her.We talk about various situations and concerns.I am so grateful that she comes to me with questions.We don't let her ''hang out'' as many of her peers do.An we are affluent enough that she doesn't need to ''earn''the fashionable extras.We are always vigilant to changes in personality and/or habits that may be signals to possible negative behaviors!

I understand that I am 33 years older than my wife(67-34).I would not equate that with being a 45 year old man with a 12 year old girl or a 48 year old with a 15 year old.Truthfully I am not completely sure why it is so wrong.I guess I feel that children should have the full span of their childhood versus facing adulthood so young.Some may argue that once a girl enters puberty ,she is elgible for sex and therefore there is no problem.I think their emotionally maturity should have more time!

I really think that an adult male seeking young girls is a sexual predator looking to control and take advantage of these children.There are plenty of girls 18,19 20 etc.,that have made choices for their adult life and are available to these men.Why should a child be rushed into adulthood without understanding the consequences

i wonder why this 50 something year old male farang is'nt chasing/on the lookout for 15 year old girls in his home country.?

beer monkey wrote:i wonder why this 50 something year old male farang is'nt chasing/on the lookout for 15 year old girls in his home country.?

Simple answer to that one BM.A teenager brought up in a western culture would know him for what he is, a dirty old man, and more than likely respond to his advances accordingly. Whereas in Asia, they are taught to respect their elders so what these perverts do, they
must logically be respectable, and obeyed without question. When you add a parent saying go on as well the child naturally thinks it is normal behaviour, so the weirdos get away with it.Add to that a law system whereby you can buy yourself out of trouble, as evidenced by a posting of mine about a year ago, where a teacher attempted to have sex with a 7 year old girl and the only penalty he served was to pay a 10,000bht compensation to the mother, who promptly bought a new TV with the money.TIT

Well the farrang didn't get off anywhere near that cheap, it was mutliples of six figures. Non of us know for a fact he was not doing excatly the same thing in the states and just didn't get caught.

As Val pointed out this happenings in well to do famalies a well, wonder if what we saw in the states for years and probably still happens kids raised by remote control. Both parents working and the kid being raised by the TV.

I can't imagine a parent in the small villages not knowing, the group would see the activity and more then likely the grandparents are there. Now you have parents working long distances from the village to pay for that pick up, or new TV you know I owe I owe so of to work I go.

Thailand is succesful in the world today along with that came major changes to the family unit.

Another thing to keep in mind a exibited by the other thread, is this really that unusual here. Is the history of society here really only continuing?

Yuo know when I fist came here I wa with what I considered to be very young girsl here, in thier eary 20's they were were real beauties, but they were no wher ready for a seriuo relationship. It was like most of us were when we were young as well it was party time. These girls had children and were already in theory divorced. Grandmother taking care of the kids.

Some things to think about with a man of this age, these kids can have children, althouhg they would have no idea how to care for them or provide for them. a 15 year old raising a child what kind of a chance do you think they would have here in Thialand. How many Thai men are going to look at them as a poosible wife in the future. Can they finish University or for that matter high school and learn to support themselves.

What do they know about caring for themselves and VD.

In the other thread the guy w looking at making a 15 year old a Mia Noi, do you think in this farrang instance he has any intention of staying after they get older, or is he going to be out on the quest again, leaving a kid to pick up the pieces. This can be pretty scary stuff.

There are many realities here that are hard to figure out, the low lands for instances there were tons of under age Lao girls there, but that was OK in the Thai eyes.

By the way I'm not preaching just examing the world around me a bit.

Like many others I want a partner not a toy.

very well put Val.

i wonder why this 50 something year old male farang is'nt chasing/on the lookout for 15 year old girls in his home country.?

he most likely goes down to seventh avenue or whatever (soi) in whatever country and pays the going rate. I guess you think things are different in

farrrang land

and 15 yo are all home reading! Some 15 yo live on the streets of america! And a good reason is that 50 something farrrang is their father!

Old man arranges virgins future. Happens in Africa, China, Cambodia, Vietnam, India, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran and many, many other places. Some farangs take advantage, some don't.
I suppose we all have to question our conscience from time to time. Funny old world!

By the way....I'm new here. Excellent web site. Thank you.

Old man arranges virgins future. Happens in Africa, China, Cambodia, Vietnam, India, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran and many, many other places. Some farangs take advantage, some don't.

By the way....I'm new here. Excellent web site. Thank you.

Very true.

Welcome Harry. Hope you continue to enjoy the Forum.

Great input Harry and a wonderful way to start, hope to hear more from you.

I am an old man married to a young girl. I support her widowed mother and three young sisters. When I met this girl, she was working all night in a very difficult job. She had an illness and the only cure was rest and good food for many months. I took her in and supported her family. We have been together for more that two years and are very happy. I am sure that many would criticize me for the age difference, which is huge, but much good has been acomplished by our relationship. I have bought the family a house, moto and land. My wife's future is secure. Sometimes what seems to be bizarre and might be condemned by many is acutally benefitting many. love, swami

Thats wonderful for all concerned, your not what the question is about, unless you just happen to have four or five of these young girls. This is not at all about a person who commits to one other person. It is about a individual who changes young girls frequently.