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UK Lottery: No playing away, says Camelot

Postby JimboPSM » October 20, 2010, 4:33 am

Forum members who have used the UK National Lottery should be aware of a forthcoming rule change so they can make appropriate arrangements in order that they do not risk disqualifying themselves from receiving a ten pound mega win for matching three numbers (or being forced to pay it back) :(

From BBC Business News:
The National Lottery is changing its rules so that tickets bought by people abroad will not be valid.

The change starts on 13 December 2010.

At the moment, tickets can be bought while overseas via interactive accounts, but this may break some local gambling laws which would invalidate the ticket and any winnings.

Camelot, which runs the lottery, said the rule change would make it absolutely clear that buying a ticket anywhere abroad would now be invalid.

"The general rule of thumb is that if any overseas country has its own lottery, playing the UK one will be illegal," said a Camelot spokesman.

"The change is to make it absolutely clear to players they must be in the UK or the Isle of Man."

Playing abroad

The basic rule is that anyone taking part in any National Lottery game must be a resident of either the UK or Isle of Man.

From December, they will also have to be physically present there when buying their tickets.

"If you do not meet these requirements, any ticket purchases you make will be invalid and no prizes paid, and we will have the right to reclaim any prizes already paid under these circumstances," the new rules say.

The rule applies when buying a scratch card in a shop.

But the rule change is aimed at stopping people abroad using their interactive lottery accounts.

They may be using the internet to take part in the online "instant win" games (the online version of scratch cards) or texting on their mobile phones, or using the internet abroad, to enter numbers into the draws such as Lotto, Euromillions or Thunderball.

Someone with a regular National Lottery account funded by direct debit will still see their numbers entered while overseas.

However, they will have to be in the UK or Isle of Man when setting up their account in the first place, and also when making any changes to it, such as buying extra tickets or changing their lottery numbers.

Clarity

Last year, Camelot was accused of not making it clear enough that buying a lottery ticket while abroad would be invalid in some countries such as Spain and the USA.

That was despite the existing warning pop-ups on the National Lottery website and the current rules which clearly warn that tickets might be invalid if buying them abroad involved breaking local laws.

"We don't promote the draw overseas and our licence prevents us doing so - there are plenty of warnings online at the point of sale," the spokesman said.

Even when the rules change, to invalidate foreign purchases completely, Camelot's website technology will not stop buyers who choose to plough on regardless and ignore the warnings.

But the Camelot spokesman said the company's software would be able to detect where players appeared to be buying their tickets - as at present - and they would then be contacted personally to check if they really had been abroad or not.

"Only a very, very small percentage of players are from abroad; we have had a handful of claims from abroad over the years - it is not a problem," Camelot said.

"We have not had any pressure from foreign governments or complaints."

Original article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11572581

As the above is only a news report on the change and is not particularly well written, members should check the National Lottery rules to satisfy themselves that they will be fully entitled to their future win(s).
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Re: UK Lottery: No playing away, says Camelot

Postby BobHelm » October 20, 2010, 11:22 am

The Lottery have sent me an e-mail concerning these changes Jimbo.
It includes this paragraph...
If you play by Direct Debit, you must be physically located in the UK or Isle of Man when setting up your Direct Debit Account and also when making amendments to it, including buying additional tickets, or changing your numbers or payment details. As long as you only make these changes while you are physically located in the UK or Isle of Man, your tickets will be valid if you travel overseas.
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Re: UK Lottery: No playing away, says Camelot

Postby JimboPSM » October 20, 2010, 11:56 am

Bob, I've just found the same e-mail, it had been caught by my e-mail antispam protection.

The changes are not a problen for me as I already work well within both the old and the revised rules.

There is no way I'm going to put at risk the potential of losing ten quid or, even worse, having to find the means to pay it back if I've somehow managed to spend it all with multitudinous applications of campanology while in Thailand :lol:
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Re: UK Lottery: No playing away, says Camelot

Postby BobHelm » October 20, 2010, 3:03 pm

ha,ha.. Yes agree Jimbo.
I do sort of wonder what the reasoning is behind it all though. The National Lottery seem to take it very seriously (down to checking the users IP address) rather than just paying lip service to it.
I wondered if it was to do with rigidly protecting their charity status, as it couldn't see any other real reason...
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Re: UK Lottery: No playing away, says Camelot

Postby JimboPSM » October 20, 2010, 11:39 pm

Bob, I think it is largely driven by the some of the US State and Government Authorities which have such a puritanical and patronising attitude towards gambling by its citizens.

For some reason, the attitude on gambling only seems to be restricted to its citizens using their own money, when it is a financial institution or a bank gambling with those same citizens money that has been put in their “safe” custody it is a completely different matter.

While citizens are largely prohibited from gambling, the opposite appears to be the case with the financial institutions where the authorities not only appear to condone gambling by the financial institutions and banks but, as we have seen , would appear to also encourage it by the way they are both willing and happy to underwrite and pay the gambling losses of the financial institutions with billions of taxpayer money.

On a more serious note, Camelot may be worried because a number of executives of other European companies with onnections to online gaming have been arrested for (I think) racketeering when they have visited the US (because US citizens have found a way of gambling with those companies).

Citizens from “the land of the free” need to be protected from being unpatriotic by losing money to foreign businesses when it is really their patriotic duty to lose their shirts investing with the puritans on Wall Street “doing God’s work”.
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Re: UK Lottery: No playing away, says Camelot

Postby Texpat » October 20, 2010, 11:57 pm

Citizens from “the land of the free” need to be protected from being unpatriotic by losing money to foreign businesses when it is really their patriotic duty to lose their shirts investing with the puritans on Wall Street “doing God’s work”.


Whaaa whaaaa America whaaaa whaaaa...

Precious. But who are the real paranoid schizophrenics?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/n ... tored.html

Telegraph
20 Sep 2010
Every email, phone call and website visit is to be recorded and stored after the Coalition Government revived controversial Big Brother snooping plans.

It will allow security services and the police to spy on the activities of every Briton who uses a phone or the internet.

Moves to make every communications provider store details for at least a year will be unveiled later this year sparking fresh fears over a return of the surveillance state.


lol.
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Re: UK Lottery: No playing away, says Camelot

Postby BobHelm » October 21, 2010, 2:01 am

Good God Tex this thread is only 5 on topics long & you still cannot follow it??
Get some help PLEASE... It is about The UK National Lottery not about your Anglophobia. If you can not follow a simple, rational & logical argument without one of your many phobias kicking in then maybe you are better off giving your PC to some body that can... :( :(
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Re: UK Lottery: No playing away, says Camelot

Postby Seahawk » October 21, 2010, 2:55 am

BobHelm wrote:Good God Tex this thread is only 5 on topics long & you still cannot follow it??
Get some help PLEASE... It is about The UK National Lottery not about your Anglophobia. If you can not follow a simple, rational & logical argument without one of your many phobias kicking in then maybe you are better off giving your PC to some body that can... :( :(

Well said Bob!
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Re: UK Lottery: No playing away, says Camelot

Postby JimboPSM » October 21, 2010, 9:54 am

JimboPSM wrote:...... On a more serious note, Camelot may be worried because a number of executives of other European companies with onnections to online gaming have been arrested for (I think) racketeering when they have visited the US (because US citizens have found a way of gambling with those companies).

I do know senior executives of companies that have received legal advice that they risk possible arrest should they visit the US because, even though they themselves are not directly involved in any kind of online gaming, the business services that their companies provide effectively facilitates online gaming.

Links to some past examples of executives being arrested:


As an aside, although further research may be required, it seems to be increasingly obvious that an unfortunate side effect of successful humour bypass operations is that the patient goes on to develop severe forms of paranoia, becomes delusional and frequently demonstrates particularly severe forms of phobias :(
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Re: UK Lottery: No playing away, says Camelot

Postby BobHelm » October 21, 2010, 10:04 am

Thanks for the research Jimbo. That goes a long way to answering a question that had baffled me from the start of the Lottery & got me even more confused with the advent of the European Lottery!!
I can also see why the site is so 'hot' on the use of proxy servers.
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Re: UK Lottery: No playing away, says Camelot

Postby Texpat » October 21, 2010, 4:54 pm

Just pointing out the condescending bullshit that you seem to think passes for normal.
Some insecure types will blame anything on the US.
Even UK lottery restrictions.

Man up.
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Re: UK Lottery: No playing away, says Camelot

Postby BobHelm » October 21, 2010, 5:00 pm

So if you are SO certain that the reasons Jimbo stated are incorrect....WHY & what is the real reason??
Or are you just going to revert to your normal -it is true because I said so approach Tex?? :D :D
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UK Lottery: No playing away, says Camelot

Postby JimboPSM » March 29, 2012, 8:08 pm

The National Lottery is continuing to tighten up on the possible abuse of the online rules (which only allow play from the UK and the Isle of Man).

From NL Lottery e-mail:
.... to play National Lottery games online you need to be a UK or Isle of Man resident and be physically located in the UK or Isle of Man when buying a ticket. If you play by Direct Debit, not only must you be physically located in the UK or Isle of Man when setting up your Direct Debit but also when making amendments to it, including buying additional tickets, or changing your numbers or payment details.

From 23rd April 2012, any player attempting to access their National Lottery Account from outside of the UK or Isle of Man will be prevented from doing so, as our location software will block any access.

Why are we implementing a block?

As operator of the UK National Lottery, Camelot clearly wants to pay out prizes where it can - and we don't want anyone to miss out on a prize because they haven't complied with the Rules. We're therefore always looking at ways we can improve the quality of information we give players. Although we give clear warnings about playing from overseas, we believe this change makes it even clearer and simpler for players.

In line with this, we have updated our Interactive Terms and Conditions to ensure they reflect this amendment - to cover that National Lottery players will now be prevented from accessing their National Lottery Account if our software detects that they are intending to play National Lottery games from any jurisdiction other than the UK or Isle of Man...

For those UK members who indulge in the dastardly evil of gambling on the NL, make sure all your arrangements are in place while you are in the UK.

However, you would also be well advised to check whether you actually qualify as being “resident” for NL purposes; there is already plenty of debate on other threads of exactly what "resident" may mean for tax and pension purposes and now there is the further complication of being “resident" for the National Lottery :shock:

Finding out you have a major win only to then lose it on a technicality could drive you from the evil of gambling to the evil of drink :( :guiness:
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